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#141TJ_UNLIMITED(Topic Creator)Posted 9/7/2013 2:01:39 PM
DreadJester posted...
I seriously sit here and shake my head as to why anyone has a problem with this.... Allow me to bring up some points....

1. If you like Pokémon and want to see it continue to grow I will support Pokémon with my hard earned money. $5.00 a year is hardly difficult to come up with to support a game I enjoy.

2. I can literally FIND $5.00 a year by simply collecting up lost coins and money I find as I go about my life.

3. I'd much prefer paying $5.00 a year to having an ad shoved in my face every time I transferred a Pokémon.

4. You spent $40.00+ to buy the game. Clearly the game doesn't cost this much to produce in materials (especially if you download it,) or labor spent creating it and the developers as well as Nintendo will clearly make huge profit off that yet you aren't complaining about that.....

5. It's an OPTIONAL service. If you're too cheap to support a game with $5.00 a year after plopping down $40.00 on the game itself then don't use it. Most other games out there don't let you transfer your hard earned work from one game version to another anyhow so it shouldn't be any different than that.

6. Last point.... There's plenty of much much worse practices in the gaming industry to be complaining about than $5.00 a year fee. How about we complain about companies that release more or less the same game every year with a few simple changes yet charge you full price each year (Madden Football, Call of Duty.........) Or how about we complain about games/game systems that charge you $10.00 or more each and every MONTH to continue playing them (MMORPG's, XBOX....) Or how about we complain about companies that kick out a game with half the content removed which they sell you as an "expansion" on the same day the game is released.... I could keep going here.......


Stopped reading at the first point because Pokemon has been around since the late 90s without our oh so much needed pokebank money.
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#142TranquilSeaPosted 9/7/2013 2:48:56 PM(edited)
DreadJester posted...
I seriously sit here and shake my head as to why anyone has a problem with this.... Allow me to bring up some points....

1. If you like Pokémon and want to see it continue to grow I will support Pokémon with my hard earned money. $5.00 a year is hardly difficult to come up with to support a game I enjoy.

2. I can literally FIND $5.00 a year by simply collecting up lost coins and money I find as I go about my life.

3. I'd much prefer paying $5.00 a year to having an ad shoved in my face every time I transferred a Pokémon.

4. You spent $40.00+ to buy the game. Clearly the game doesn't cost this much to produce in materials (especially if you download it,) or labor spent creating it and the developers as well as Nintendo will clearly make huge profit off that yet you aren't complaining about that.....

5. It's an OPTIONAL service. If you're too cheap to support a game with $5.00 a year after plopping down $40.00 on the game itself then don't use it. Most other games out there don't let you transfer your hard earned work from one game version to another anyhow so it shouldn't be any different than that.

6. Last point.... There's plenty of much much worse practices in the gaming industry to be complaining about than $5.00 a year fee. How about we complain about companies that release more or less the same game every year with a few simple changes yet charge you full price each year (Madden Football, Call of Duty.........) Or how about we complain about games/game systems that charge you $10.00 or more each and every MONTH to continue playing them (MMORPG's, XBOX....) Or how about we complain about companies that kick out a game with half the content removed which they sell you as an "expansion" on the same day the game is released.... I could keep going here.......


1. I support Pokemon through buying the core titles.

2. Right. If a gamer has a 3DS (XL) and enough money to buy X/Y, it's quite likely that $5 is trivial. Not really the point, since not everyone buys things JUST because they're cheap.

3. Your opinion. I don't mind the ads here, or in the other sites I visit and want to support.

4. I evaluate everything I'm interested in before making the decision to purchase it or not. The core titles offer hundreds of hours of entertainment, and I feel like I'm getting way more than my money's worth. I also have no problems with the way the core titles themselves are handled. For the Pokemon Bank, I won't need the storage, and I'll transfer 2-3 times a year. I don't like how they're tied together, with no other option for transferring. I also don't like how they're being cheap with the trial, and feel the proper way of handling that is to let you claim the trial at any time. For those reasons, I'm deciding not to support it. I know they can do better, and I'm voting with my money.

5. It being optional doesn't mean I shouldn't have standards. Again, it's not about being cheap. Though for children, money may legitimately be an issue.

6. Eh. Microsoft fans voiced their complaints recently and something actually happened about it. You come to a board for a Nintendo title, and you expect Nintendo fanboys. At least, that's my expectation. I'm a pretty casual gamer overall, and I'm not really educated about other bad business practices in the gaming industry. No one can complain about everything anyway, but since I frequent this board and I care about this series, I feel like it's important to at least point out that there is some validity to the hate. Not every Pokemon Bank hater is cut from the same cloth.
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#143DasDavidPosted 9/7/2013 2:55:08 PM
Everyone acts as if being charged is new, and a good handful of you are acting as if this is some grand issue (stand up for something or fall for anything?) Like seriously, it's not that big a deal....

It's not some shady crap, it's not Nintendo charging you to play the game you already own, it's not a new practice at all. At the end of the day it is optional, it is cheap and it is "wrong." I'm not going to deny that. There's plenty of storage services out there that are free, so obviously Nintendo/GF could've made theirs free as well. They didn't. The game could cost less than 40 dollars. It doesn't.

Who the hell cares?

The people defending Pokebank are going overboard because it doesn't need defending. It's a business practice that you're willing to support, that's fine, let other people get upset about it. You're not right in saying that it HAS to cost money, because it really really doesn't.

The people attacking the defenders are no better, with many implying that somehow this is the same as something like a sweatshop or another similarly unethical business practic (which I'm sure many of you have supported without even knowing since the TRULY shady crap tends to stay hidden.)

If you don't agree with the practice then okay, I see your reasoning; that NessEggWhatever guy in particular has pointed out good reason that it shouldn't be a charged service, but does it honestly matter?

It's a first world problem at the end of the day and while I respect the opinion of people saying it doesn't have to be a paid service, (and actually agree with them) I don't understand jumping further into "this is them milking us, how dare they? etc.." Most things we pay for aren't worth what they cost.

You're gonna tell me a nasty ass burger fries and drinks are worth around 5 dollars when I can buy the individual ingredients to make like 12 sets of that for only a few more dollars? Of course not, but if I'm feeling like having something done FOR me, that's what I pay.

I'm not saying bend over and take it, but if this REALLY bothers you, show Nintendo that by not paying. You're not going to elicit any change by complaining about it on some board where most people simply do not mind the cost that much.

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#144NinjaKitsunePosted 9/7/2013 9:56:45 PM
Pupu27 posted...
NinjaKitsune posted...
Pupu27 posted...
NinjaKitsune posted...
Pupu27 posted...

I'm sure Nintendo is trying to make a profit with PokeBank, they are a business. But I'm also sure their profit margin is not like 90%. It would be around 20%-30% maximum (that the same as the average profit margin of Microsoft or EA, I think the only industry that rip off its customers is the fastfood industry with McDonalds' profit margin nearly reaches 50% >:)).


The numbers just don't add up on that. Consider Dropbox. Their premium service is 99GB for $100/yr. That's one dollar per GB per year. And they have enough profits to offer anyone who wants it 2 GB completely free. With backups of the files going a month back.

Now, for pokemon bank to have a similar profit margin (which, given the above, is probably above 30% by the way), 3000 pokemon would have to take up 5 GB. That's nearly 2 megabytes per pokemon. There's no way you're going to convince anyone that a single pokemon's data takes up 2 megabytes.

$5 isn't much, but the service they're offering is worth a fraction of that.


You didn't consider the fact that PokeBank is a niche product for Pokemon gamers only. It won't attract the same number of users like Dropbox or GoogleDrive - and it isn't supposed to be (Dropbox has 175m users in 2013 and Google has maybe a zillion users :)). Smaller market forces the higher price to cover costs.

That's the reason why your Gigabytes/dollar comparison is not accurate. A Leica M9 and Canon 5D Mark III have the same specs, both are full frame digital camera and arguably can create the same quality photographs. However the Leica price is $7000 compared with $2000 price tag of the 5D Mark III. It's because Canon has a much bigger market than Leica.

Also remember Nintendo's intention is to make PokeBank a service for Pokemon games only, it doesn't their main business so they won't focus a lot of their resources to it. It's totally different with DropBox as their entire business plan is about cloud storage services. Nintendo will most likely award customers by dropping price of their gaming consoles which is their core business.


Or maybe they have a smaller market because they charge 3x as much for comparable tech?


Leica certainly could try dropping the price to see if they can expanse their user base or not (and facing the risk of bankruptcy if this strategy doesn't work out). However in the case of Nintendo, only Pokemon gamers will ever subscribes PokeBank, their market is deem to be small from the design. There is no way Nintendo could do to make it has as much users as DropBox or GoogleDrive.

And more users always equal cheaper price. Like a 4K TV today has the price tag of $10k+ but in 4-5 years time when more people join the bandwagon, I'm sure it's price will be the same as a normal HDTV today.


No, they're cheaper today because the tech got cheaper to make. Some of that was from R&D and improved manufaction methods funded from early adopters, yes, so more people did indirectly make them cheaper. But we're not talking cutting edge tech, especially for the amount of data and bandwith they'll expect to use. So the "more people" argument simply doesn't work from here since they can easily use resources that have had their manufacturing optimized.
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#145AkubarixPosted 9/8/2013 2:15:06 AM
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#146Shuo_RagnarokPosted 9/8/2013 11:19:46 AM
TJ_UNLIMITED posted...
DreadJester posted...
I seriously sit here and shake my head as to why anyone has a problem with this.... Allow me to bring up some points....

1. If you like Pokémon and want to see it continue to grow I will support Pokémon with my hard earned money. $5.00 a year is hardly difficult to come up with to support a game I enjoy.

2. I can literally FIND $5.00 a year by simply collecting up lost coins and money I find as I go about my life.

3. I'd much prefer paying $5.00 a year to having an ad shoved in my face every time I transferred a Pokémon.

4. You spent $40.00+ to buy the game. Clearly the game doesn't cost this much to produce in materials (especially if you download it,) or labor spent creating it and the developers as well as Nintendo will clearly make huge profit off that yet you aren't complaining about that.....

5. It's an OPTIONAL service. If you're too cheap to support a game with $5.00 a year after plopping down $40.00 on the game itself then don't use it. Most other games out there don't let you transfer your hard earned work from one game version to another anyhow so it shouldn't be any different than that.

6. Last point.... There's plenty of much much worse practices in the gaming industry to be complaining about than $5.00 a year fee. How about we complain about companies that release more or less the same game every year with a few simple changes yet charge you full price each year (Madden Football, Call of Duty.........) Or how about we complain about games/game systems that charge you $10.00 or more each and every MONTH to continue playing them (MMORPG's, XBOX....) Or how about we complain about companies that kick out a game with half the content removed which they sell you as an "expansion" on the same day the game is released.... I could keep going here.......


Stopped reading at the first point because Pokemon has been around since the late 90s without our oh so much needed pokebank money.


TC translation: "I'm incapable of arguing with those points because mine are weak and poorly developed and supported in the first place, so I'm just going to pretend I didn't see his post so I don't have to make myself look like a fool. That'll show him!"
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#147pokemonfreak97Posted 9/8/2013 1:29:39 PM
It's FIVE DOLLARS. A. YEAR. Since Pokemon games release yearly and have since Platinum, then Pokemon Bank will cost 1/9 of the money you spend on Pokemon, assuming that there is no price change on the console after the 3DS. It will be Gen 8 by the time that paying for Pokemon Bank is expensive as buying X OR Y, and Gen 10 by the time it costs as much as both.
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#148DreadJesterPosted 9/8/2013 1:53:31 PM
TranquilSea posted...
1. I support Pokemon through buying the core titles.

2. Right. If a gamer has a 3DS (XL) and enough money to buy X/Y, it's quite likely that $5 is trivial. Not really the point, since not everyone buys things JUST because they're cheap.

3. Your opinion. I don't mind the ads here, or in the other sites I visit and want to support.

4. I evaluate everything I'm interested in before making the decision to purchase it or not. The core titles offer hundreds of hours of entertainment, and I feel like I'm getting way more than my money's worth. I also have no problems with the way the core titles themselves are handled. For the Pokemon Bank, I won't need the storage, and I'll transfer 2-3 times a year. I don't like how they're tied together, with no other option for transferring. I also don't like how they're being cheap with the trial, and feel the proper way of handling that is to let you claim the trial at any time. For those reasons, I'm deciding not to support it. I know they can do better, and I'm voting with my money.

5. It being optional doesn't mean I shouldn't have standards. Again, it's not about being cheap. Though for children, money may legitimately be an issue.

6. Eh. Microsoft fans voiced their complaints recently and something actually happened about it. You come to a board for a Nintendo title, and you expect Nintendo fanboys. At least, that's my expectation. I'm a pretty casual gamer overall, and I'm not really educated about other bad business practices in the gaming industry. No one can complain about everything anyway, but since I frequent this board and I care about this series, I feel like it's important to at least point out that there is some validity to the hate. Not every Pokemon Bank hater is cut from the same cloth.


1. If you're already supporting the game then why complain about such a small amount more...... Is $5.00 a year, .42 cents a month, really your tipping point on if you support the game or not?? Perhaps if it were $5.00 a month I could see the argument but it's not....

2. Once again, it's a matter of how much you enjoy and support the game. There have been games that I've spent more money on than I should have, but I really liked the game so I paid the money....

3. Ads take time and as the old saying goes, "Time = Money" Yes it's a matter of opinion. Perhaps they could consider offering a free version that threw up ads with every upload and download but I'm guessing you'd find just as many if not more people complaining about that version.

4. So in your evaluation of Pokebank have you considered that you can upload and download as much as you want, every single day of the year you have your account. Have you considered it as a sort of Pokémon insurance since you can upload all your time and effort put into building up these Pokémon to the Pokebank and even if your game and system dies in a fire/water/electrical incident you will still have all of that backed up? Have you considered that exceptionally few games allow you to transfer all your time and hard work from one series of the game into another?? Keep in mind my whole "Time = Money" quote from #3.

5. Having standards has zero to do with the fact that it's optional. If I walk into a casino I have the OPTION of playing a game there. My standards in what makes a good casino game have nothing to do with that fact and I have the OPTION to play or not regardless of my standards. In other words, your point is invalid on that issue. You can use this service or not. Simple.

6. Personally I am a Nintendo handheld fan. They do have the best handheld system in my opinion. I'm honestly surprised that we haven't seen more "service" fees on the 3DS already and I'm not gonna get all rump-hurt when they finally decide to start charging me $5.00 a year for something.
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#149TJ_UNLIMITED(Topic Creator)Posted 9/8/2013 9:40:41 PM
Bunch of weak-minded puppets don't care about paying extra fees as long as they still get their video games. Pathetic.

That's exactly why people defend Capcom for selling costumes now when games like the first Dead or Alive had 10 or more costumes per character that didnt require extra money to use.

But no, they give you video games so you must continue to defend their nickel and diming behind the guise of "support." Lol wow, just wow
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#150Snorlax_exlaxPosted 9/8/2013 9:48:02 PM
TJ_UNLIMITED posted...
Bunch of weak-minded puppets don't care about paying extra fees as long as they still get their video games. Pathetic.

That's exactly why people defend Capcom for selling costumes now when games like the first Dead or Alive had 10 or more costumes per character that didnt require extra money to use.

But no, they give you video games so you must continue to defend their nickel and diming behind the guise of "support." Lol wow, just wow

My goodness, you love to overreact.
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