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Charizard > Blaziken - Proof inside

#61Kruploy(Topic Creator)Posted 9/19/2013 1:07:22 PM
megamanx1291 posted...
Let's throw rocks at TC and Charizard.

Super effective at both.


You are so needlessly cruel.

Then again you are Rockman and you did get left out of MvC3 so I guess a little rage is par for the course.
#62kaiser ryuPosted 9/19/2013 1:16:07 PM
Guys, guys. Settle this like men; on the playground.
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#63Kruploy(Topic Creator)Posted 9/19/2013 1:26:03 PM
kaiser ryu posted...
Guys, guys. Settle this like men; on the playground.


There is a giant in there.
#64masladaPosted 9/19/2013 1:52:01 PM
BlueDryBones1 posted...

If you don't invest in speed for Blaziken then Zard will be able to outrun the first 2 turns w/o a Choice Scarf. You'd have to double Protect and can still run a Focus Sash on Zard to live a SE. Blaziken will have a opening to be 2HKOd and you can run one of Zard's flying moves as well as Quick attack. CS Charizard can outrun in the first 3 turns and Zard can also run Choice Specs/Band(with the SE Earthquake or Bulldoze) and say GGs to Blaziken w/o that speed investment Blaziken will not be able to outspeed so easily. You could go max Spd and HP but w/o Focus Sash you'll get 1 shotted while Charizard will be able to take a hit.


Blaziken only needs 24 EVs in defense with a Coba Berry to survive +1 dragon dance Adamant 252 EVs Sky Drop + Quick attack. With less than 252 EVs in defense it survives unboosted Earthquake + quick attack too. Since it doesn't need max attack we can still run easily enough speed to outrun Charizard if it's got 1 more speed boost.

Blaziken can attack on the first turn with impunity with quick attack to break the focus sash.

If Charizard used Dragon dance 1st turn it loses because +1 Earthquake doesn't OHKO this Blaziken and it dies to rock slide next turn.

If it EQs it loses because unboosted EQ + quick attack doesn't kill this Blaziken.

If it Sky drops it loses because Blazikens follow up rock slide goes off quicker than the EQ that would finish it off.

There we have it, your perfectly crafted anti-Blaziken Charizard can be beaten by Blaziken as long as rock slide doesn't miss.

Charizard can be EV'd to survive Rockslide + quick attack, especially if you take a rock reducing berry but you'd need max defense and quite a lot of HP to boot so not sure such a Charizard would fare much better against this Blaziken considering all these defense calculations were based off a Max attack Charizard. Plus the Blaziken would just use stone edge, and I didn't even bother running the damage calculations with that.
#65mehmetskiPosted 9/19/2013 1:53:47 PM
but only if charizard=fire/flying and blaziken=fire/fighting

charizard and blaziken have their types, but they ARENT their types.
theres a lot more to a pokemon than just its type.

so your idea is ok, but not good.
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#66Kruploy(Topic Creator)Posted 9/19/2013 1:58:24 PM
mehmetski posted...
but only if charizard=fire/flying and blaziken=fire/fighting

charizard and blaziken have their types, but they ARENT their types.
theres a lot more to a pokemon than just its type.

so your idea is ok, but not good.


I respectfully disagree; my work shall take the world of mathematics by storm.
#67ShadowMario3Posted 9/19/2013 3:40:31 PM
17Master posted...
So, what I'm understanding from this topic is that if a Charizard user controls/perfectly predicts a Blaziken user, and the Blaziken user cannot control/fails to ever properly predict Charizard, Charizard wins?

Uhh, that can apply for very, very many 1 v 1 matchups


Not really. Charizard with Quick Attack (doesn't make Charizard OP in general unlike Speed Boost on Blaziken) pretty much makes it so that in Blaze Charizard vs. Blaze Blaziken, Charizard will always win due to being faster no matter what:

Turn 1:
Charizard uses Air Slash/Earthquake Blaziken hangs on with Focus Sash
Blaziken uses Rock Slide, Charizard hangs on with Focus Sash

Turn 2:
Charizard uses Quick Attack, battle over
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#68NecroStreak128Posted 9/19/2013 3:45:56 PM
Ok.
#69RX02BansheePosted 9/20/2013 2:18:21 AM
ShadowMario3 posted...
17Master posted...
So, what I'm understanding from this topic is that if a Charizard user controls/perfectly predicts a Blaziken user, and the Blaziken user cannot control/fails to ever properly predict Charizard, Charizard wins?

Uhh, that can apply for very, very many 1 v 1 matchups


Not really. Charizard with Quick Attack (doesn't make Charizard OP in general unlike Speed Boost on Blaziken) pretty much makes it so that in Blaze Charizard vs. Blaze Blaziken, Charizard will always win due to being faster no matter what:

Turn 1:
Charizard uses Air Slash/Earthquake Blaziken hangs on with Focus Sash
Blaziken uses Rock Slide, Charizard hangs on with Focus Sash

Turn 2:
Charizard uses Quick Attack, battle over


*Rolls eyes* "Yeah, Charizard can win, but it needs to be an event version against a nerfed Blaziken to do it!!!"


People using this argument are being rather stupid honestly, you do realize that by outright admitting you have to nerf Ken while buffing Zard you are saying Blaziken is the superior Pokemon, right?
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