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Is anyone else hoping that Iris is champion again?

#61Sloth9230Posted 9/24/2013 12:04:11 AM
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#62Sloth9230Posted 9/24/2013 12:06:44 AM
Lexifox posted...
Sloth9230 posted...
Way to miss the point.


The point is that you, as an adult, judge things by how you felt as a child? Explain it to me.


At least that's what I hope you meant.

I judge Blue by what he represents, a childhood rivalry. I feel that he is a good character for children, because he is a character that can motivate children to be better. As a child I would always compete with friends, sports, jokes/pranks, stupid stuff, and sometimes even grades. It was always about being the best or if you already were then it was about staying the best, friends/rivals give you something to compare yourself to and therefor help you set goals for yourself. And if a friend was also a cocky loud mouth then it felt good to be able to shut them up or strive towards that goal.

To someone who's been bullied Blue was even more than that, because Blue is a bully(or so says the manual, I don't think he's that bad). To someone who suffers from bullying the final battle against Blue is important because it shows that you can escape your situation, if you work hard then you can surpass the bully.

Of course now that I've grown older I've accepted that I am not and cannot be the best at everything, that there will always be someone better, but Blue reminds me of an idealistic youth whose mother once told him he could one day be the president and so worked to be best at everything he could be.
#63LexifoxPosted 9/24/2013 12:24:48 AM
Sloth9230 posted...
At least that's what I hope you meant.


Yeah... that was an unfortunate typo.

...Anyway

I judge Blue by what he represents, a childhood rivalry. I feel that he is a good character for children, because he is a character that can motivate children to be better. As a child I would always compete with friends, sports, jokes/pranks, stupid stuff, and sometimes even grades. It was always about being the best or if you already were then it was about staying the best, friends/rivals give you something to compare yourself to and therefor help you set goals for yourself. And if a friend was also a cocky loud mouth then it felt good to be able to shut them up or strive towards that goal.


Except that Blue wasn't a friend. He was someone who was a friend and then suddenly dislikes you and became very competitive. He wasn't friendly, just a brat who harassed you.

To someone who's been bullied Blue was even more than that, because Blue is a bully(or so says the manual, I don't think he's that bad). To someone who suffers from bullying the final battle against Blue is important because it shows that you can escape your situation, if you work hard then you can surpass the bully.


Except that you surpass him by beating him, every single time, you meet him. He thinks he's one step ahead of you because he's always in the area you're going, but he never actually wins.

Of course now that I've grown older I've accepted that I am not and cannot be the best at everything, that there will always be someone better, but Blue reminds me of an idealistic youth whose mother once told him he could one day be the president and so worked to be best at everything he could be.


He strikes me as a childish brat who doesn't seem to want to mature at all, particularly going by his Gen 2 appearance.
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#64SR71haloPosted 9/24/2013 12:25:38 AM
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#65scrappybristolPosted 9/24/2013 12:35:53 AM
Considering Iris' specialty, a Fairy specialist would wipe the floor with her so she probably wouldn't be champion in Kalos.
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#66Sloth9230Posted 9/24/2013 12:43:09 AM
Lexifox posted...

He strikes me as a childish brat who doesn't seem to want to mature at all, particularly going by his Gen 2 appearance.


Being an ass does not make him immature, it makes him an ass. Aside from being an ass, he is just an extremely competitive person which makes sense when you consider his family's background.

Actually, based on how he takes his defeat, I'd say he is rather mature about it, he just acknowledges the player is stronger, and then says he's going to work towards surpassing them. Look towards Clair if you want to see immaturity, y'know, the grown woman who denies you the badge.
#67LexifoxPosted 9/24/2013 12:47:14 AM
Sloth9230 posted...
Being an ass does not make him immature, it makes him an ass. Aside from being an ass, he is just an extremely competitive person which makes sense when you consider his family's background.


Not really. His grandfather is a renown professor who quit battling. No one else in his family is renown until the remakes/retcons.

Actually, based on how he takes his defeat, I'd say he is rather mature about it, he just acknowledges the player is stronger, and then says he's going to work towards surpassing them. Look towards Clair if you want to see immaturity, y'know, the grown woman who denies you the badge.


He goes on to acting like a brat in Gen 2.
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#68Sloth9230Posted 9/24/2013 1:15:45 AM
Lexifox posted...

Not really. His grandfather is a renown professor who quit battling. No one else in his family is renown until the remakes/retcons.


And you don't believe being the grandfather of someone as famous as Professor Oak puts any pressure on him? Professor Oak.
#69Sloth9230Posted 9/24/2013 1:16:12 AM
Lexifox posted...
He goes on to acting like a brat in Gen 2.


"Who are you? Well, it's plain to see that you're a trainer… My name's Blue. I was once the Champion, although it was for only a short time… That meddling Red did me in… Anyway, what do you want? You want to challenge me or something? …I hate to say it, but I'm not in the mood for a battle now. Take a good look around you… A volcano erupts, and just like that, a whole town disappears. We can go on winning and losing in Pokémon. But if nature so much as twitches, we can lose in a second. … That's the way it is… But, anyway, I'm still a trainer. If I see a strong opponent, it makes me want to battle. If you want to battle me, come to the Viridian Gym. I'll take you on then."


Not seeing it.

"Yo! Finally got here, huh? I wasn't in the mood at Cinnabar, but now I'm ready to battle you. … You're telling me you conquered all the Gyms in Johto? Heh! Johto's Gyms must be pretty pathetic then. Hey, don't worry about it. I'll know if you are good or not by battling you right now. Ready, Johto boy?"


Okay, fine. Taunting a challenger isn't exactly mature.

""What? How the heck did I lose to you? … Tch, all right… Here, take this-- it's Earth Badge.""

Still not at Clair levels

… All right, I was wrong. You're the real deal. You are a good trainer. But I'm going to beat you someday. Don't you forget it!"
"Listen, you. You better not lose until I beat you. Got it?"


Admitting he was wrong while also encouraging you??? That's a sign of maturity no?

Really, all I see is an average 13 year old who sometimes lets his competitive nature get the best of him. So yeah, he isn't as mature as someone like Iris or Maylene, but he is still leagues more mature than Claire.

Anyway, you don't like him because he's a immature, I don't really mind that he is. I'm not forced to dislike him because of a character trait that you don't like right?
#70LightningAce11Posted 9/24/2013 1:17:03 AM
I thought we all hated competitive?
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