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Lets talk Togekiss.

#11NitharadPosted 10/7/2013 8:31:50 AM
Togekiss already is OU, isn't it?

Serence Grace + Thunder Wave + Air Slash + Roost + Nasty Plot + bulky EV spread

It's like Togekiss is Jirachis sibling, only a slightly worse typing, a proper heal, and being special-based.
#12LazorFistPosted 10/7/2013 8:35:50 AM
Nitharad posted...
Togekiss already is OU, isn't it?

Serence Grace + Thunder Wave + Air Slash + Roost + Nasty Plot + bulky EV spread

It's like Togekiss is Jirachis sibling, only a slightly worse typing, a proper heal, and being special-based.


UU right now which is only a step below OU.
#13summerclawPosted 10/7/2013 8:37:18 AM
Man this thing really takes a dump on Heracross. Wildly assuming Heracross sets run Earthquake, a Fighting move and Mega Horn. It tanks the **** out of it.
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#14OsrangerPosted 10/7/2013 8:38:07 AM
GaiamageX posted...
omega bahumat posted...
SettaWorldTeeth posted...
Like I said in the other topic, it walls both of Garchomp's STABs so it will be forced to run Stone Edge. I think Togekiss will be one of the better dragon slayers.


Then Dragonite uses Icebeam


Is Fairy weak against Ice? If not, Togekiss can take it. She's got excellent Special Defense, and Dragonite's Special Attack is weaker of his offensive stats.


Dragonite uses ironhead/tail
#15jadenTensenPosted 10/7/2013 8:39:46 AM
wait.
pure fairy?
flying/fair?
normal/fairy?

Im assuming flying fairy which leaves it weak to poison, steel, ice, rock, electric right?
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#16khansistahPosted 10/7/2013 8:39:49 AM
Pure Fairy or Fairy/Flying? Or Fairy/Normal?
#17Octaivian_RexPosted 10/7/2013 8:46:19 AM
Osranger posted...
GaiamageX posted...
omega bahumat posted...
SettaWorldTeeth posted...
Like I said in the other topic, it walls both of Garchomp's STABs so it will be forced to run Stone Edge. I think Togekiss will be one of the better dragon slayers.


Then Dragonite uses Icebeam


Is Fairy weak against Ice? If not, Togekiss can take it. She's got excellent Special Defense, and Dragonite's Special Attack is weaker of his offensive stats.


Dragonite uses ironhead/tail


252+ Atk Dragonite Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Togekiss: 128-151 (34.22 - 40.37%) -- 46.78% chance to 3HKO
(128, 129, 131, 132, 134, 135, 137, 138, 140, 141, 143, 144, 146, 147, 149, 151)

Not a KO after doubling to account for super effective. You do KO if you get a DD in first, although if Togekiss invests heavily in defense it can take the Iron Tail after a DD though.

+1 252+ Atk Dragonite Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Togekiss: 150-177 (40.1 - 47.32%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(150, 152, 153, 155, 157, 159, 161, 162, 164, 166, 168, 169, 171, 173, 175, 177)

Not a KO after doubling to account for the super effective.You're also relying on winning a speed tie to avoid getting paralyzed.
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