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There seems to be some ignorance about RNGing going on around this board

#11hyjinx17Posted 10/17/2013 12:20:10 PM
Ignore these people.

They think that it is a balanced metagame when the Lucario they bread randomly rolled 31 speed IV"s and their opponent only managed to randomly role 30.
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#12Bloodmoon77Posted 10/17/2013 12:24:02 PM
OniBowser posted...
snsste posted...
how does RNGing work? lol im confused


its alot to take in at first but once you do you're first poke it gets loads easier. but pmuch you download a program from smogon, find your ds parameters, pick what kind of stats/natures/ability/gender you want your poke to have, and then turn on the pokemon game at a set time and date that will give you said qualities. imo it's extremely rewarding when i rng a flawless pokemon without the use of cheats.


How on earth does this not scream cheating to you? You're exploiting the game basically. I'm not against it but I'll be d***** if it isn't cheating.
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#13OniBowser(Topic Creator)Posted 10/17/2013 12:24:08 PM
sephiroth1491 posted...
Exploiting is still a form of cheating, and that's why every game developer frowns on poeple that abuse them, especially on games with competitive systems. Covering the sun with your finger doesn't make it disappear.


so everyone who wave dashed in ssbm was a cheater? everyone who found ways to weird hieghts in halo 3 were cheaters? in call of duty when people run up to you and fall on the ground only to kill are cheating? if its in the final product of the game why would it not be ok to use?
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#14GraverobberJPosted 10/17/2013 12:25:20 PM
OniBowser posted...
sephiroth1491 posted...
Exploiting is still a form of cheating, and that's why every game developer frowns on poeple that abuse them, especially on games with competitive systems. Covering the sun with your finger doesn't make it disappear.


so everyone who wave dashed in ssbm was a cheater? everyone who found ways to weird hieghts in halo 3 were cheaters? in call of duty when people run up to you and fall on the ground only to kill are cheating? if its in the final product of the game why would it not be ok to use?


Because people set moral constraints for themselves that are independent of the game's constraints so they have an excuse when they lose to people who exhaust available options. Bottom line.
#15X_Ayumi_XPosted 10/17/2013 12:25:49 PM
CalciferJenkins posted...
I dare to accuse you of cheating directly, not indirectly. I'm not going to change my mind, I don't expect you to.

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#16Dark Young LinkPosted 10/17/2013 12:26:56 PM
OniBowser posted...


so everyone who wave dashed in ssbm was a cheater? everyone who found ways to weird hieghts in halo 3 were cheaters? in call of duty when people run up to you and fall on the ground only to kill are cheating? if its in the final product of the game why would it not be ok to use?


The literal definition of a glitch...
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#17jayman7Posted 10/17/2013 12:30:58 PM(edited)
Let's take Monopoly as an example.

Hacking would be switching the dice out for dice that show whatever numbers you want. You could make them show 100 if you really felt like it! And then when you draw a card, whatever you draw, you replace with a card that says "Advance to Boardwalk, buy it even if someone else already owns it, and then draw $1000 from the bank. Oh, and have a free Park Place too!"

RNG abuse is taking the dice that already exist and forcing them to always come up the way you want. You're not getting any results you couldn't get by rolling the dice normally, honest!

It's still not the way the game was intended to be played, however.
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#18GolurkcanflyPosted 10/17/2013 12:29:31 PM
GraverobberJ posted...
OniBowser posted...
sephiroth1491 posted...
Exploiting is still a form of cheating, and that's why every game developer frowns on poeple that abuse them, especially on games with competitive systems. Covering the sun with your finger doesn't make it disappear.


so everyone who wave dashed in ssbm was a cheater? everyone who found ways to weird hieghts in halo 3 were cheaters? in call of duty when people run up to you and fall on the ground only to kill are cheating? if its in the final product of the game why would it not be ok to use?


Because people set moral constraints for themselves that are independent of the game's constraints so they have an excuse when they lose to people who exhaust available options. Bottom line.


Except that there are people like me who are against hacking and don't really care about winning or losing, only about fair competition.
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#19Dark Young LinkPosted 10/17/2013 12:30:12 PM
Not the best example, as loaded dice are very much considered illegal in casinos.
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#20TcidenebTPosted 10/17/2013 12:30:20 PM
OniBowser posted...
sephiroth1491 posted...
Exploiting is still a form of cheating, and that's why every game developer frowns on poeple that abuse them, especially on games with competitive systems. Covering the sun with your finger doesn't make it disappear.


so everyone who wave dashed in ssbm was a cheater? everyone who found ways to weird hieghts in halo 3 were cheaters? in call of duty when people run up to you and fall on the ground only to kill are cheating? if its in the final product of the game why would it not be ok to use?


but its not in the final game, you are using an external program to manipulate the game to do what you want. Hence cheating.