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Who's the 2nd best Champion? (spoilers)

#11P0k3m0nWaRR10R8Posted 10/30/2013 6:25:07 PM
KaradurAtani posted...
Nowujalo posted...
P0k3m0nWaRR10R8 posted...

I won't make any assertions on Diantha until after Z


Same here, people don't realize the Pokemon X and Y are the Diamond and Pearl of this Generation.


im not a fan of her design really, but if they develop her more in the next game I'll give her another chance.


I'm a fan of her design; I love how over-the-top her outfit is. But those eyebrows... throw off the design for me a little
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#12LuciensaurusPosted 11/1/2013 11:45:45 AM
Diantha was too easy. Or I was too overpowered.
*Diantha sends out her ace gardevoir*
MEGA EV-
*Blaze kick to face* B****, pls.

But I loooooved Cynthia! Especially as a Platinum veteran. Ohmygosh she was AWESHUM. She went through hell and back with you, quite literally! And dat spiritomb.... had me raging. "ERMAHGERD. WHY. WHY ARE YOU NOT WEAK TO ANYTHING!?!?"
#13CakeOfLiesPosted 11/1/2013 11:49:04 AM
Lance=Steven>Cynthia>Blue>Alder>Wallace>Diantha
Iris is so bad that I don't even consider her a Champion.

Lance and Steven are both favorites, but Lance is a little bit more favorite... So, Steven.
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#14RotomGuy3Posted 11/1/2013 11:50:55 AM
Either you forgot Blue, or the point of this topic is that Blue is best.

No he isn't. He's down there with Alder as the worst.

Cynthia > Steven > Lance > Iris > Diantha > Wallace > Alder = Blue
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#15Mobile_PlatformPosted 11/1/2013 11:52:28 AM
RotomGuy3 posted...
Either you forgot Blue, or the point of this topic is that Blue is best.

No he isn't. He's down there with Alder as the worst.

Cynthia > Steven > Lance > Iris > Diantha > Wallace > Alder = Blue


I would put Diantha before Iris, but otherwise I agree with this list.
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#16ab199990Posted 11/1/2013 11:54:09 AM
1. Cynthia
2. Blue/Green
3. Steven
4. Lance
5. Iris
6. Alder
7. Diantha
8. Wallace

1-3 by a hair.
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#17wind64aPosted 11/1/2013 11:58:33 AM
Blue was incredibly lackluster as a champ. By the time you fight him in that room, you've defeated him to the point of anime Team Rocket idiocy.

Cynthia>Steven>Lance>Alder>Iris>Blue>Wallace

and we'll just have to see how Diantha does in the "third version" before making any final decisions about her.
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#18DullahansXMarkPosted 11/1/2013 12:18:32 PM
Honestly, Blue WAS the best rival AND champion. And no, I'm not a "genwunner" (I actually rate it as the worst generation).

Unlike basically every other rival besides Silver, Blue actually wasn't a complete pushover. He actually required some skill to beat, and when he lost, did he say "aw, that sucks. Well, I'll see you around, friend!"? No! He merely shrugged it off as a fluke and worked to make himself stronger for next time. And unlike everyone else, he doesn't just jump you at the exit to Victory Road like all the other pansy rivals and then call his journey quits because you beat him, because he's too busy challenging the Elite Four.

As a Champion? Again, he wasn't a pushover (Steven and Cynthia weren't either, but...). Furthermore, you actually had a personal reason to defeat him. Whether you think so or not, he's been one-upping you the entire time. Yeah, you won most of/all your battles with him, but that's it. He's beaten every gym before you. He's (more than likely) filled up the Pokedex faster than you. And now he became Champion before you. This is your chance to prove, once and for all, that you're better than him. The other Champions? You saw them here or there. But all in all, your battles with them are very impersonal. There's no real strive to beat them other than that they're just another fool who dared challenge you. That's it.

Now, with all of that said, technically N DOES belong on this list, seeing as how he WAS Champion when you fought him in Black and White. If he counted, I'd rate him as a better Champion than Blue (rivals? Pfft. This is about the fate of the world, son), but since most people probably wouldn't agree with that view, Imma just stick with Blue as #1.

Steven gets the silver medal.

Cynthia gets the bronze.
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#19SoothesayerPosted 11/1/2013 12:22:44 PM
Diantha is probably the worst. Ugly design, one trick pony, little presence, just an overall bleh champion and another strike against X/Y.

Alder is pretty sorry but at least the man took some action, even if all he did was lose lol. But yeah 2nd least favorite.

Wallace...man screw the haters, guy was stylin and Milotic is beautiful. Plus his typing fit with the region he repped. He should've been harder but better than alder/diantha IMO. Shoot me but I kind of like him more than Steven.

Steven is overrated IMO but I can see why people like him. I just wish he was more consistent with his typing. But he had a stronger team than wallace and was more effective in the story, so I'll put them on the same level.

Blue is massively overrated and part of the genwunner pantheon. Guy was not that hype, but he worked well enough as far as gen 1 went. I guess I put him above steven/wallace but that's mostly because of how he worked in-game rather than his actual character, which is below steven.

Iris was alright, her team was pretty cool and fitting, since little kids love dinosaurs and Unova's mythlogy is heavily rooted with dragons. I didn't expect it initially so it was a neat surprise, and she was better than Alder with a more interesting team than Lance. Below blue, above wallace.

Lance is kind of lame really, he didn't even earn his champ spot, it was handed to him. He was cool during the story(his main saving grace) but I have so many issues with him. For one thing, he specializes in a type that poorly reps his region. There's like...1 dragon line in Kanto? Stupid, if anything he should've just been a flying specialist. Most of his pokemon are flying anyway and Kanto's trio are even flying types! But no, they wanted to make Lance this uber badass so gave him the dorkiest dragon at an illegal level, like 3 of them and called him a dragon master. Then he waltzes around in a cape and armor because I guess he's some sort of roleplayer or something(well it looked like armor in the older sprites, now its just robes) idk just kind of a dork really. And 3 illegal dragonites? That's just such BS and then it's not like it's even difficult, just tedious and kind of stupid. He just comes off as kind of pretentious to me. Probably bottom 3, better than Alder and Diantha though.

Cynthia is queen of course, I love a woman with power, and smart too. Her look is badass, her theme is badass, her team is even more badass, and being the first femchamp was pretty cool. Diantha almost feels like an insult in comparison. Definitely my favorite champion.

Cynthia > Blue > Iris > Wallace/Steven > Lance > Alder >> Diantha.
#20Grammar_manPosted 11/1/2013 1:01:49 PM
DullahansXMark posted...
Honestly, Blue WAS the best rival AND champion. And no, I'm not a "genwunner" (I actually rate it as the worst generation).

Unlike basically every other rival besides Silver, Blue actually wasn't a complete pushover. He actually required some skill to beat, and when he lost, did he say "aw, that sucks. Well, I'll see you around, friend!"? No! He merely shrugged it off as a fluke and worked to make himself stronger for next time. And unlike everyone else, he doesn't just jump you at the exit to Victory Road like all the other pansy rivals and then call his journey quits because you beat him, because he's too busy challenging the Elite Four.


Blue was easier than any of the other rivals ever in Gen 1, and his Gen 3 self isn't doing much better.

As a Champion? Again, he wasn't a pushover (Steven and Cynthia weren't either, but...).

Gen 1 Blue not a Pushover? Yellow was okayish at best, but still overall worse than other gens. RB Blue is an utter joke, and one of the easiest battles in the franchise.

Gen 3 Blue is alright, tougher than some of the champs purely because he uses mixed types.