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speed of pokemon are confusing and wrong in battle

#11TheTrueSetoPosted 11/12/2013 3:55:29 AM(edited)
Zetsuei_8823 posted...
I actually have a similar question. I'll be battling my friend's Haxorus, whose speed is around 130, 140-ish once it's been cut back down to lvl. 50. My Espeon's speed is 150, 160-ish when lvl. 50. He uses one Dragon Dance and he's faster. How is this? Do stat altering moves really add/remove so much?

I know his item of choice on his Haxorus is a Focus Scarf to avoid 1HKOs from special attacks, and his prefered moves are EQ and Outrage, so I doubt it's priority.

Would anyone care to shed some light on this? Maybe I have his speed stat wrong... Even so, my Espeon's faster than his by quite a bit, so even if I do have his speed wrong, a single DD to outspeed me puzzles me.


one stage of stat boost= a 50% raise
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#12hellman039(Topic Creator)Posted 11/12/2013 3:55:38 AM
my nature for mawille is adamant. Still though the difference is substanital. It is a Lapras?? can't just always be a coincidence that peoples from online there pokemon are slower by stats but are somehow faster, there must be a concrete reason. Unless lm looking at the wrong things. l am looking at pokemon Database and it justs give a number next to a stat? same as smorgon and so my number is larger for speed but slower in gameplay??
#13EscheriaPosted 11/12/2013 3:58:22 AM
hellman039 posted...
l just played again and there lapras was quciker than my mega mawille(who had been in for 3 turns already). l just don't get this. PLease explain.


That one is easy: Lapras has base speed of 60, Mawile and Mega Mawile only 50.
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#14archie44Posted 11/12/2013 4:04:43 AM
hellman039 posted...
my nature for mawille is adamant. Still though the difference is substanital. It is a Lapras?? can't just always be a coincidence that peoples from online there pokemon are slower by stats but are somehow faster, there must be a concrete reason. Unless lm looking at the wrong things. l am looking at pokemon Database and it justs give a number next to a stat? same as smorgon and so my number is larger for speed but slower in gameplay??


What's your Garchomp's speed at level 50?
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#15Zetsuei_8823Posted 11/12/2013 4:05:46 AM
Gleason037 posted...
1 stage speed increase is +50%, so 130 x 1.5 = 195. The stat buffs are pretty dramatic in pokemon.


Sweet baby corn, that's ridiculous. I guess now I can feel less guilty being a butt to him opening with Haxorus.
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#16gofghxgPosted 11/12/2013 4:43:49 AM
They're using quick attack.
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#17NiftyyyyyPosted 11/12/2013 5:26:46 AM
hellman039 posted...
no i have perfect ivs for speed and for my zapdos perfect ev speed. Obvisously not for mawille, but l don't think they only used the same move. What else could it be? what other items besides choice scarf?


You don't think?

Choice scarf increases speed by 50% and so does dragon dance.... You must have just made an error. Also when accounting for the 50% increases you have to multiply this on top of the speed boosted nature of the opposing Pokemon as well as the Ev's. Go to Smogon or some other Pokemon site and compare the base speeds taking these things into consideration.
#18hyjinx17Posted 11/12/2013 5:34:38 AM
Unless you post your pokemon's exact nature, IVs and EVs no one can give you a definitive answer
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#19KementarriPosted 11/12/2013 6:07:33 AM
hyjinx17 posted...
Unless you post your pokemon's exact nature, IVs and EVs no one can give you a definitive answer


My only thought as I read this thread, that and this TC needs to do some research before claiming hax =/.
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