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Morality and Pokemon

#31SMASHKING84Posted 11/15/2013 5:51:25 PM
i've said it before but as long as you have something that can be obtained in the game your not really cheating.


but the problem is in super training i accidentally got my smergale speed ev to 255
if i could actually VIEW my evs that wouldn't happen.
ar let's me see my EXACT evs nothing in game does.
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#32ChocoboDreamsPosted 11/15/2013 5:58:07 PM
SMASHKING84 posted...
if people enjoy grinding they shouldn't use super training.
they shouldn't use proteins and the like shouldn't use any short cuts period.
when you do that then you have a right to say your not lazy.


You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Just because people like to breed legit pokemon doesn't mean they "enjoy grinding", they just like to play the game the way it was meant to be played.
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#33tehkapiPosted 11/15/2013 6:00:00 PM
SMASHKING84 posted...
i've said it before but as long as you have something that can be obtained in the game your not really cheating.


Using an external device or program to generate a Pokemon means it wasn't obtained in-game, therefore, it is cheating. Taking advantage of a glitch or bug is considered cheating as well.
At least, that's been the general consensus ever since I started playing video games back in the 90s...
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#34GastroFanPosted 11/15/2013 6:00:47 PM
I'm still wondering about the morality behind Game Freak/Nintendo only releasing certain pokemon and/or events in a handful of countries; then crying when people hack those pokemon because they can't get them. Case in point: at one time GF promised to release the Azure Flute for D/P/Pl that would get you the Hall of Origin Arceus. People waited for months upon months but the flute was never released; so a few used ARs and hacked the flute in order to get their 'promised' Arceus. Of course that 'Arceus' is considered a 'hack' but who was immoral, the hacker who hacked the Azure Flute or the people (Game Freak) who 'promised' to release the flute in the first place? It's the same with Oak's letter that would get you Shaymin in the Flower Paradise in D/P/PL or the Lock Capsule in B/W1 that would get you TM95 Snarl; all were promised but never happened. You can't expect people to take the high moral ground when they have thousands of examples of people, and especially corporations, that don't keep their word.
#35SMASHKING84Posted 11/15/2013 6:01:23 PM
The way it was meant to be played isn't valid because gamefreak is too lazy to let us see are eact evs.

I'd laugh if you accidently had set your pokemon's speed ev to 251 there's no way to know if you did.
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#36tehkapiPosted 11/15/2013 6:09:50 PM(edited)
GastroFan posted...

I would actually say there's a difference.

See, I'm against hacking a Pokemon to use competitively online, you should use in-game resources to train your Pokemon, not tools to create them. If Pokemon were real, you'd see some people in the park training them, and others at home trying to stick USB cables where they don't belong.

In the case of event Pokemon and items, I feel its a bit different. Creating them using external programs is still wrong, IMO, but, if you somehow have access to the distribution ROMs or data files, that's a bit different since not everyone can get those Pokemon to begin with, either because of region, Internet connectivity, etc.

SMASHKING84 posted...
The way it was meant to be played isn't valid because gamefreak is too lazy to let us see are eact evs.

I wouldn't say it's lazy. Hidden values are hidden for a reason. Game Freak may have never considered people would take advantage of stats they could see. EVs and IVs were really meant for the mechanics of the game, to prevent it from being a repetitive game of Rock-Paper-Scissors.
People learned of those values and started taking advantage of them, and now Game Freak is allowing us to use those values without blatantly making them visible.

I'm sure Game Freak has their reasons, and I'm sure its not just laziness...

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#37SMASHKING84Posted 11/15/2013 6:37:15 PM
There really isnt any reason to hide them because as you pointed out people find them anyways.
as for a way for them to let us see our evs an npc would work.

take your pokemon to the npc they ask what pokemon you want to see the evs of and then the npc tells you there npc put the npc in every pokemon center.(do the same with ivs)

i don't see why they are hidden anyways isn't like were trying to find porn were trying to play the game.
ideally i'd like to also be able to see evs and ivs when we trade pokemon.

why? because people may say "this pokemon has 252 speed evs and perfect ivs" and it has neither people can lie.

another idea is that every item in the game is buyable at a pokemart (because money is easier to grind then bp) also give as item to hatch an egg faster.(100 steps should be the maxium not 5000...) it makes it really annoying to get what you want.

let us erase hms every move in the game except pokemon exclusives(like sketch) are either tms move tutor moves or breedable

any move that you taught a pokemon ever(unless the move was hacked) is relearnable.

I should be able to reteach my jirachi draco metor

If gf did this the only hackers left would be the REAL cheaters the wonder tomb users and the like.(i use him but only in battle subway)
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#38ChocoboDreamsPosted 11/15/2013 7:23:57 PM
SMASHKING84 posted...
The way it was meant to be played isn't valid because gamefreak is too lazy to let us see are eact evs.

I'd laugh if you accidently had set your pokemon's speed ev to 251 there's no way to know if you did.


This point is moot regardless since you can see EVs now with Super Training. And there's no way to accidentally set the Speed EV to 251, the game tells you when you have maxed EVs in one stat, you just train Speed until you can't train it anymore.
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#39SMASHKING84Posted 11/15/2013 7:47:24 PM
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you don't understand the game doesn't tell you until you hit 255.
meaning you HAVE to stop short.
(those extra 3 are better used on another stat because evs are only counted in multiples of 4)

You try to stop at exactly 252. You counted wrong. You won't ever know you did unless something like poke check shows you. meanwhile your pokemon isn't performing to their full potenial.

if you could litterally see your exact evs it would be impossible to make a mistake and miscount.
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#40ChocoboDreamsPosted 11/15/2013 7:50:59 PM
SMASHKING84 posted...
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you don't understand the game doesn't tell you until you hit 255.
meaning you HAVE to stop short.
(those extra 3 are better used on another stat because evs are only counted in multiples of 4)

You try to stop at exactly 252. You counted wrong. You won't ever know you did unless something like poke check shows you. meanwhile your pokemon isn't performing to their full potenial.

if you could litterally see your exact evs it would be impossible to make a mistake and miscount.


Super Training stops at 252, not 255. I Super Trained all of my pokemon and I've always had 6 left over for the third stat. Normal EV training still stops at 255.
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