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#121SorrowOfAcheronPosted 11/18/2013 10:30:25 AM
Well, damn.

Hadn't thought of that. Thanks.
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#122DexterTheThirdPosted 11/18/2013 10:33:25 AM
So Togekiss with Dazzling Gleam / Psyshock / Aura Sphere / Roost gets absurd coverage while remaining bulky enough to take hits and roost off damage. You get a strong STAB, a wall-breaking move for hi Sp Def tanks, and a no-miss move for DT spammers. Plus everyone expects the paraflinch set.
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#123EnlinoPosted 11/18/2013 10:38:35 AM(edited)
DexterTheThird posted...
Doesn't Togekiss get Super Luck as its Hidden Ability? =O

Running it defensive with Roost will allow it to sponge more hits while still retaining notable damage output that bypasses defensive boosts.


It gets nasty plot, too, and using that will give you a higher damage output than 100% crit without requiring focus energy or limiting yourself to crit moves.

Edit: the build you posted doesn't work because you need either super luck + focus energy or super luck + razor claw + crit moves to hit 100%
#124DexterTheThirdPosted 11/18/2013 10:38:11 AM
Enlino posted...
DexterTheThird posted...
Doesn't Togekiss get Super Luck as its Hidden Ability? =O

Running it defensive with Roost will allow it to sponge more hits while still retaining notable damage output that bypasses defensive boosts.


It gets nasty plot, too, and using that will give you a higher damage output than 100% crit without requiring focus energy or limiting yourself to crit moves.


Indeed it does, that's even better! Fairy / Fighting is already almost perfect neutral coverage, so giving it Nasty Plot on top of that is monstrous.

I may have to change my plans for my Togekiss...
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#125TheCoolzPosted 11/18/2013 10:41:56 AM
DexterTheThird posted...
Enlino posted...
DexterTheThird posted...
Doesn't Togekiss get Super Luck as its Hidden Ability? =O

Running it defensive with Roost will allow it to sponge more hits while still retaining notable damage output that bypasses defensive boosts.


It gets nasty plot, too, and using that will give you a higher damage output than 100% crit without requiring focus energy or limiting yourself to crit moves.


Indeed it does, that's even better! Fairy / Fighting is already almost perfect neutral coverage, so giving it Nasty Plot on top of that is monstrous.

I may have to change my plans for my Togekiss...


But wouldn't that still put you at 50%? While it is very powerful and 50% is very high, but won't it still have less consistency?
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#126DexterTheThirdPosted 11/18/2013 10:46:24 AM
Oh snap I knew I was forgetting something. I thought Scope Lens gave +2.
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#127alex1_2_3_4_5Posted 11/18/2013 10:54:48 AM
SnowxReturns posted...
Another potential abuser of 100% crit rate:

Infernape@Scope Lens
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4SpA
Hasty nature
-Focus Energy
-Overheat
-Close Combat
-Thunder Punch/HP Ice/Mach Punch

With this setup Focus Energy is essentially a Swords Dance+Nasty Plot. Overheat can be spammed with impunity since crits will ignore the SpA drop. The other moves should be obvious.


No its not. The modifier from SD and NP is x2. The modifier from a crit is x1.5
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#128mada7Posted 11/18/2013 10:56:42 AM
SnowxReturns posted...
Octillery is another potential user as long as it has Trick Room support:

Octillery@Scope Lens
Trait: Sniper
EVs: 252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Nature: Quiet (+SpA - Spe)
-Focus Energy
-Water Spout/Surf
-Fire Blast/Ice Beam
-Energy Ball


I was thinking of this as well but it can also learn bullet seed and rock blast. 100% crit on each of 2-5 hits would be pretty strong no? 25*1.5*2 = 75 minimum and 187.5 maximum
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#129SpeedlotPosted 11/18/2013 10:59:14 AM
100% crit where
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#130TheCoolzPosted 11/18/2013 11:03:01 AM
mada7 posted...
SnowxReturns posted...
Octillery is another potential user as long as it has Trick Room support:

Octillery@Scope Lens
Trait: Sniper
EVs: 252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Nature: Quiet (+SpA - Spe)
-Focus Energy
-Water Spout/Surf
-Fire Blast/Ice Beam
-Energy Ball


I was thinking of this as well but it can also learn bullet seed and rock blast. 100% crit on each of 2-5 hits would be pretty strong no? 25*1.5*2 = 75 minimum and 187.5 maximum


Sniper makes it 2.25 no? Not 1.5.

So it would be 25*2.25*2 = 112.5 minimal

25*2.25*5 = 261.25 max

Enery Ball would be 80*2.25 = 180 standard
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