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2 years ago#61
Paper_Okami posted...
Her typing is godawful defensively.

Weak to:

Rock
Ground
Dark
Water
Ghost

All very common attacking types.

It's very frail etc. Easily the worst of the starters. Chesnaught is middle of the line and Greninja is great.


Chespin is easily the worst. Chesnaught is a so called "bulky" Pokemon, yet has a double weakness to Flying, and in online matches (AKA Talonflameville) you can't do be having that. Spiky Shield isn't all that, especially compared to King's Shield. What makes it even more useless is that if you try to use Spiky Shield on Talonflame, and they predict it, they can use that turn to set up Swords Dance or something and then kill it next turn. Other than Talonflame, Chesnaught has weaknesses to STAB moves from Blaziken, Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal, Gardevoir, Dragonite, Salamence, and Charizard, all of which are common online, and all of which are faster than Chesnaught (except maybe Dragonite, but Dragonite resists both of Chesnaught's STAB moves anyway). Besides Chesnaught's design looks hideous anyway, at least Delphox's is acceptable.
2 years ago#62
People hate Fennekin?
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2 years ago#63
I liked Fennekin but i always liked Froakie the best ever since the reveal. second stages i wasn't really crazy about any of them. Third stages i really disliked the design for Delphox, loved Greninja's design and really like Chestnaught (love the name too)

I stuck with Froakie and used him alot as Greninja in the main game.
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2 years ago#64
I liked Froakie before it was cool
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2 years ago#65
Protean doesn't come on any of the starters (it's a HA so you have to friend safari/trade, which you can do regardless of which starter you choose), so a lot of Froakie's surge in popularity comes from the third evo stage designs.

Because it's a ninja. And people (including me) are suckers for that kind of stuff.
2 years ago#66
EmperorZangoose posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Her typing is godawful defensively.

Weak to:

Rock
Ground
Dark
Water
Ghost

All very common attacking types.

It's very frail etc. Easily the worst of the starters. Chesnaught is middle of the line and Greninja is great.


Chespin is easily the worst. Chesnaught is a so called "bulky" Pokemon, yet has a double weakness to Flying, and in online matches (AKA Talonflameville) you can't do be having that. Spiky Shield isn't all that, especially compared to King's Shield. What makes it even more useless is that if you try to use Spiky Shield on Talonflame, and they predict it, they can use that turn to set up Swords Dance or something and then kill it next turn. Other than Talonflame, Chesnaught has weaknesses to STAB moves from Blaziken, Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal, Gardevoir, Dragonite, Salamence, and Charizard, all of which are common online, and all of which are faster than Chesnaught (except maybe Dragonite, but Dragonite resists both of Chesnaught's STAB moves anyway). Besides Chesnaught's design looks hideous anyway, at least Delphox's is acceptable.




Hence why I said Chesnaught is middle of the road, not OU potential.

And Delphox's design is considerably worse than Chesnaught's.

Being 4x weak to something does NOT stop a pokemon from being bulky... that is just one weakness...
2 years ago#67
Nearly chose Fennekin, but I realized a trend in my starter picks, then chose Chespin.
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2 years ago#68
Paper_Okami posted...
EmperorZangoose posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Her typing is godawful defensively.

Weak to:

Rock
Ground
Dark
Water
Ghost

All very common attacking types.

It's very frail etc. Easily the worst of the starters. Chesnaught is middle of the line and Greninja is great.


Chespin is easily the worst. Chesnaught is a so called "bulky" Pokemon, yet has a double weakness to Flying, and in online matches (AKA Talonflameville) you can't do be having that. Spiky Shield isn't all that, especially compared to King's Shield. What makes it even more useless is that if you try to use Spiky Shield on Talonflame, and they predict it, they can use that turn to set up Swords Dance or something and then kill it next turn. Other than Talonflame, Chesnaught has weaknesses to STAB moves from Blaziken, Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal, Gardevoir, Dragonite, Salamence, and Charizard, all of which are common online, and all of which are faster than Chesnaught (except maybe Dragonite, but Dragonite resists both of Chesnaught's STAB moves anyway). Besides Chesnaught's design looks hideous anyway, at least Delphox's is acceptable.




Hence why I said Chesnaught is middle of the road, not OU potential.

And Delphox's design is considerably worse than Chesnaught's.

Being 4x weak to something does NOT stop a pokemon from being bulky... that is just one weakness...


Plus I doubt GF consciously knew Talonflame would be so popular. Also, who stays in for more than one turn with a Chesnaught against a Talonflame unless you're seriously banking on that Spiky Shield, or maybe a predicted Leech Seed? But yeah, agreed, Heatran has a x4 to the common Earthquake and that doesn't stop him from doing his job.

Back to Delphox though, the issue is definitely in the move-to-stat synergy and the wonky ability. Delphox can't cover his weaknesses enough to make him stand out, doesn't have enough coverage moves to make that SpAtk shine, and doesn't have the bulk to put his support moves to work. Although a Focus Sash-Overheat would make him a pretty big threat if you kept his Blaze ability. Magician is just largely useless, or at least extremely niche.
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2 years ago#69
Hoozah123 posted...
I'm still a Delphox fan. Still hate you Chespin.

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