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How does cloister outspeed so much with just a 2 stage speed increase?

#1Chaos46290Posted 1/29/2014 11:59:20 PM
I wouldn't think that would be enough to outspeed a maxed out gengar.
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#2srzgPosted 1/30/2014 12:00:15 AM
Cloyster's not as slow as it looks
#3Xenesis XenonPosted 1/30/2014 12:00:15 AM
A two-stage speed increase is a literal doubling of the speed stat. For a lot of pokemon, that'll be more than enough to outspeed anything without boosts.
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#4LightningAce11Posted 1/30/2014 12:01:23 AM
Max speed for gengar is 178 if you're running timid.

Cloyster is 268 if you're running max speed and jolly
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#5Chaos46290(Topic Creator)Posted 1/30/2014 12:02:12 AM
oh, of course I'm talking about shell smash. I guess I just need a priority move to solve the problem.
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#6Beliath99Posted 1/30/2014 12:02:36 AM
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#7MysterPixelPosted 1/30/2014 12:10:46 AM(edited)
Something with invested base 55 speed will outspeed everything except Deoxys-S after +2.
This includes such speed demons as Psyduck and Budew.
#8Tsukasa1891Posted 1/30/2014 12:32:13 AM
adamant cloister with 252 in speed gets 239 speed. 239 x 2 = 478. timid ninjask with 252 speed gets 460 speed. so anything less then 168 base speed without a speed nature and a scarf will get out speed.
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#9XavuuPosted 1/30/2014 1:17:34 AM
Adamant Golurk outspeeds timid alakazam at +2. It doubles the actual stat, not the base.
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