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How does cloister outspeed so much with just a 2 stage speed increase?

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1 year ago#1
I wouldn't think that would be enough to outspeed a maxed out gengar.
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1 year ago#2
Cloyster's not as slow as it looks
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1 year ago#3
A two-stage speed increase is a literal doubling of the speed stat. For a lot of pokemon, that'll be more than enough to outspeed anything without boosts.
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1 year ago#4
Max speed for gengar is 178 if you're running timid.

Cloyster is 268 if you're running max speed and jolly
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1 year ago#5
oh, of course I'm talking about shell smash. I guess I just need a priority move to solve the problem.
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1 year ago#7
Something with invested base 55 speed will outspeed everything except Deoxys-S after +2.
This includes such speed demons as Psyduck and Budew.
1 year ago#8
adamant cloister with 252 in speed gets 239 speed. 239 x 2 = 478. timid ninjask with 252 speed gets 460 speed. so anything less then 168 base speed without a speed nature and a scarf will get out speed.
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1 year ago#9
Adamant Golurk outspeeds timid alakazam at +2. It doubles the actual stat, not the base.
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