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How strong is Sheer Force boosted Bulldoze in comparison to EQ if both are STAB?

#1hodelinoPosted 2/5/2014 7:20:33 AM
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#2Nitemare667Posted 2/5/2014 7:23:02 AM
252 Atk Life Orb Nidoking Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 686-811 (177.7 - 210.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO


252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Bulldoze vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 536-640 (138.8 - 165.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

EQ is superior still in the sense.
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#3Dj15Blue316Posted 2/5/2014 7:23:48 AM
EQ - 100 BP
Bulldoze - 60 BP
Bulldoze + Sheer Force - 90 BP

I'm not sure what STAB has to do with this, but even with STAB EQ would clearly be stronger.
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#4hodelino(Topic Creator)Posted 2/5/2014 7:25:04 AM
Nitemare667 posted...
252 Atk Life Orb Nidoking Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 686-811 (177.7 - 210.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO


252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Bulldoze vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 536-640 (138.8 - 165.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

EQ is superior still in the sense.


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#5oblongman7Posted 2/5/2014 7:25:09 AM
bulldoze is around 120 while eq is 150
technician would make it closer, but eq would still be better
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#6YukiWTGPosted 2/5/2014 7:26:06 AM
Dj15Blue316 posted...
EQ - 100 BP
Bulldoze - 60 BP
Bulldoze + Sheer Force - 90 BP

I'm not sure what STAB has to do with this, but even with STAB EQ would clearly be stronger.


Sheer Force's Boost is 30% though, not 50%.
#7gkathellarPosted 2/5/2014 7:27:58 AM
Well, with STAB, it's 150 BP vs 135 BP, which puts even more weight on EQ as the superior choice. STAB, in general, gives you even more reason to favor high-power moves.
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#8Dj15Blue316Posted 2/5/2014 7:28:08 AM
YukiWTG posted...
Dj15Blue316 posted...
EQ - 100 BP
Bulldoze - 60 BP
Bulldoze + Sheer Force - 90 BP

I'm not sure what STAB has to do with this, but even with STAB EQ would clearly be stronger.


Sheer Force's Boost is 30% though, not 50%.


S***. You're right. I was wondering why that guy's calc showed such a difference. It's 33%. So it would be 80 BP. Not 90. Thanks.
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#9gkathellarPosted 2/5/2014 7:30:42 AM
gkathellar posted...
Well, with STAB, it's 150 BP vs 135 BP, which puts even more weight on EQ as the superior choice. STAB, in general, gives you even more reason to favor high-power moves.


Wait, no, something around 120 for Bulldoze. So, what the other guy said.
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#10Oblivion_HeroPosted 2/5/2014 7:38:15 AM
You'd basically use bulldoze if you hate life orb recoil, acknowledging a significant loss in power.
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