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#21Ace81892Posted 2/11/2014 1:48:54 PM
galpal1987 posted...
Lapras should be able to wall your team quite well too.


Beat me to it. Also, here's a tip for the TC: Don't ask for people to find flaws in your team and then be a dick to them for doing exactly that.
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#22gamepimp12(Topic Creator)Posted 2/11/2014 1:48:58 PM
Ultima_Wraith posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
Emperor_Flannel posted...
Wow did you add least look at the type match ups? Dude ICE wrecks this team without even trying. Ice Beams ruin your day.


name an ice beam user that can tank brave birds and flying quick attacks

only one would be maybe kyreum b


Cloyster Icicle Spear


Rotom.
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#23Ultima_WraithPosted 2/11/2014 1:49:34 PM
gamepimp12 posted...
Ultima_Wraith posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
Emperor_Flannel posted...
Wow did you add least look at the type match ups? Dude ICE wrecks this team without even trying. Ice Beams ruin your day.


name an ice beam user that can tank brave birds and flying quick attacks

only one would be maybe kyreum b


Cloyster Icicle Spear


Rotom.


You asked for an ice user that could take a brave bird, I gave you one.
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#24gamepimp12(Topic Creator)Posted 2/11/2014 1:51:56 PM
Ace81892 posted...
galpal1987 posted...
Lapras should be able to wall your team quite well too.


Beat me to it. Also, here's a tip for the TC: Don't ask for people to find flaws in your team and then be a dick to them for doing exactly that.


They aren't finding flaws they're giving info that's wrong

Tropious named actual flaws and I thanked him for it.
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#25KeldonisPosted 2/11/2014 1:55:08 PM(edited)
Ultima_Wraith posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
Emperor_Flannel posted...
Wow did you add least look at the type match ups? Dude ICE wrecks this team without even trying. Ice Beams ruin your day.


name an ice beam user that can tank brave birds and flying quick attacks

only one would be maybe kyreum b


Cloyster Icicle Spear


Cloyster isn't "tanking" any of those:

252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 122-146 (50.4 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If it tries to setup Smash it dies. If not, it will OHKO Talonflame but be left to where pretty much anything can come in and revenge it. It can't switch in as it dies to two.

Also:

252+ Atk Choice Band Staraptor Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 244-288 (100.8 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 219-258 (90.4 - 106.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
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#26Ultima_WraithPosted 2/11/2014 1:55:01 PM
Keldonis posted...
Ultima_Wraith posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
Emperor_Flannel posted...
Wow did you add least look at the type match ups? Dude ICE wrecks this team without even trying. Ice Beams ruin your day.


name an ice beam user that can tank brave birds and flying quick attacks

only one would be maybe kyreum b


Cloyster Icicle Spear


Cloyster isn't "tanking" any of those:

252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 122-146 (50.4 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If it tries to setup Smash it dies. If not, it will OHKO Talonflame but be left to where pretty much anything can come in and revenge it.

Also:

252+ Atk Choice Band Staraptor Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 244-288 (100.8 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 219-258 (90.4 - 106.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO


Why would you run 4 HP on cloyster? I've always used max atk and hp and 4 speed, and there is no reason to set up shell smash when rock blast kills talonflame without it.
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#27gamepimp12(Topic Creator)Posted 2/11/2014 1:57:04 PM
Cause that's the standard set
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#28Ultima_WraithPosted 2/11/2014 1:58:50 PM
gamepimp12 posted...
Cause that's the standard set


The standard set used is also jolly starraptor, which isn't a +Atk nature.
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#29KeldonisPosted 2/11/2014 2:02:53 PM(edited)
Ultima_Wraith posted...
Why would you run 4 HP on cloyster? I've always used max atk and hp and 4 speed, and there is no reason to set up shell smash when rock blast kills talonflame without it.


Standard usage set is not HP invested. It's Atk/Spe. By investing in HP (with no Spe) you risk being outsped by certain threats, even at +2.


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#30Ultima_WraithPosted 2/11/2014 2:02:11 PM
Keldonis posted...
Ultima_Wraith posted...
Why would you run 4 HP on cloyster? I've always used max atk and hp and 4 speed, and there is no reason to set up shell smash when rock blast kills talonflame without it.


Standard usage set is not HP invested. It's Atk/Spe. By investing in HP (with no Spe) you risk being outsped by certain threats, even at +2.


252 Atk Choice Band Staraptor Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 222-262 (73 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO This is why I prefer the HP investment though, it makes it fairly bulky.
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