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I'm surprised that Giratina-A isn't OU

#1itachi134Posted 3/31/2014 5:50:12 PM
Every time a Pokemon gets banned, its because it was "too big of an offensive threat". Its quite clear that Smogon attempts to balance the game so it leans more towards defense, because to them that is what makes the game more skill based.

So why is Giratina-A banned? Dark has been buffed obscenely in Gen 6, so I doubt Giratina would be overpowered in OU. Kyurem-B's existence in OU is proof that base stats don't mean everything. Giratina-A also has a somewhat limited movepool, and its offensive stats are not sweeper worthy, especially not with that base speed.

The only notable OU Pokemon that would have trouble with Giratina-A in the tier is Thundurus-I, so the game would not change too much.
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#2TableFlipPosted 3/31/2014 5:51:21 PM
150/120/120
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#3SorrySleepingPosted 3/31/2014 5:51:44 PM
It may be able to fit into OU, but then every team would run 1 or 2 Giratina-A counters, and thus it'd be banned again for being over centralizing.
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#4BurnedPotatoesPosted 3/31/2014 5:52:19 PM
TableFlip posted...
150/120/120

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#5FinalInsanityPosted 3/31/2014 5:53:14 PM
BurnedPotatoes posted...
TableFlip posted...
150/120/120
#6itachi134(Topic Creator)Posted 3/31/2014 5:54:07 PM
SorrySleeping posted...
It may be able to fit into OU, but then every team would run 1 or 2 Giratina-A counters, and thus it'd be banned again for being over centralizing.


I doubt this would happen. Giratina-A is already dealt with by most of the metagame. Aegislash, Charizard X, Bisharp, Greninja, Latis, Conkeldurr etc.

He would actually have a hard time finding a way to fit in. The only use I can imagine him having is being a replacement for Mandibuzz as a Defog utility that doesn't suck.
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#7CakeOfLiesPosted 3/31/2014 5:55:50 PM
Because Giratina-A is the second best mixed wall in the game.
What you're suggesting is almost as stupid as the thought of unbanning Lugia.
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#8itachi134(Topic Creator)Posted 3/31/2014 5:59:59 PM
CakeOfLies posted...
Because Giratina-A is the second best mixed wall in the game.
What you're suggesting is almost as stupid as the thought of unbanning Lugia.


No, because Lugia is deceptively a sweeper. 110 Speed is way too gnarly on that thing, for OU anyways.

Giratina-A cannot play dual roles and be a sweeper. At best, it might be a CM Tank that still gets shut down by Bisharp. The Restalk + Pressure thing might be ok, but the metagame really is not in a state where it would be forgiving to that set.

I also did not mention Fairy types like Sylveon who can make Giratina-A totally useless.
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#9JohnRust7Posted 3/31/2014 6:01:37 PM
It is unfortunate Bisharp doesn't get Knock Off this gen.
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#10FinalInsanityPosted 3/31/2014 6:04:36 PM
itachi134 posted...
No, because Lugia is deceptively a sweeper.


lol