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Is Lucario + Salamence a good core?

#11CakeOfLiesPosted 4/20/2014 5:59:24 PM
80s_Memory posted...
Ok. Suggestions for something else besides Salamence?
And a better reason then "bcuz genwunner lol" crap.


Lucario+Gengar is a good core. As is Salamence+Excadrill.
Also, don't listen to the idiots. Salamence is a lot better than people give it credit for. MixMence is still a thing.
Lucario+Salamence isn't a very good core though.
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#12kingjam1Posted 4/20/2014 6:01:18 PM
SilverZangoose posted...
kingjam1 posted...
A_Man3383358553 posted...
THey are also both walled by fairies. You want Salamence and Excadrill instead, or Lucario and Gengar.


Yeah. Lucario, a steel type is walled by Fairies.


Yeah, a Steel type who's only commonly used Steel moves are: Bullet Punch, a lowly 40bp move and Flash Cannon, a mediocre special attack which is going to be used against the almost entirely specially defensive Fairies.


I use Iron Tail. Good enough. Still more accurate than Focus Miss.
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#13Xynaxus64Posted 4/20/2014 6:03:51 PM(edited)
Dragonite + WP + EQ = All Fairies except Togekiss and Azumarill die.
But then you've got Extreme Speed for that...
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#14celticpride6Posted 4/20/2014 6:51:24 PM
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#15celticpride6Posted 4/20/2014 6:55:31 PM
Lucario dents a lot of fairies at +2, 1hko or 2hkos many after SR. That is with a standard NP set. Not ideal, but it could work.

+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges: 254-300 (70.5 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon: 288-342 (73 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Again, not great, but not terrible. You could also carry a dedicated fairy counter.
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#163DSRecPosted 4/20/2014 6:56:14 PM
most fairies are not fast and you're supposed to put in lucario where something cannot handle it and set up a swords dance
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#17mushman123Posted 4/20/2014 6:59:18 PM
celticpride6 posted...
Lucario dents a lot of fairies at +2, 1hko or 2hkos many after SR. That is with a standard NP set. Not ideal, but it could work.

+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges: 254-300 (70.5 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon: 288-342 (73 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Again, not great, but not terrible. You could also carry a dedicated fairy counter.


If you arent OHKOing after +2 i feel thats not a good sign. Thats at least 3 turns needed to take it down (setup and attacking x2)
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#18Nintendo_SabresPosted 4/20/2014 7:01:20 PM
Both are extremely fragile, so you'll need a wisher/cleric/defensive teammates for sure.
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#19A_Man3383358553Posted 4/21/2014 10:34:29 AM
mushman123 posted...
celticpride6 posted...
Lucario dents a lot of fairies at +2, 1hko or 2hkos many after SR. That is with a standard NP set. Not ideal, but it could work.

+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges: 254-300 (70.5 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon: 288-342 (73 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Again, not great, but not terrible. You could also carry a dedicated fairy counter.


If you arent OHKOing after +2 i feel thats not a good sign. Thats at least 3 turns needed to take it down (setup and attacking x2)


Exactly, and in that time, Azumarill and Togekiss are already f***ing you up.
#20YourLuckPosted 4/21/2014 10:40:58 AM
Well, Salamence can take Fighting, Ground, and Fire attacks, and Lucario can take Ice and Dragon attacks.

That said, Dragonite is probably a better choice, unless you want Salamence for a specific reason.
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