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Is Breloom a viable counter to Special Greninja?

#1RajakaiTheBeastPosted 5/3/2014 8:20:46 PM
Yes or No?

Turn 1 You lead with Breloom.

Your opponent leads with Greninja(special)

Breloom uses Mach Punch!

Does it 2HKO or OHKO?
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#2mrballerswagginPosted 5/3/2014 8:23:23 PM
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#3supremeblasterPosted 5/3/2014 8:23:27 PM
252 Atk Muscle Band Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 302-356 (105.5 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

The answer is yes.
#4kirbydude385Posted 5/3/2014 8:23:52 PM
252 Atk Muscle Band Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 302-356 (105.5 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Still not a counter.
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#5The_Sol_BladerPosted 5/3/2014 8:26:40 PM
It's not a counter. Ice Beam OHKO's Breloom and Hydro Pump is a 2HKO, and it can't beat Greninja in one Mach Punch if it is mono-Water
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#617MasterPosted 5/3/2014 8:27:24 PM
If Greninja predicts the Grass type coming in and throws an Ice Beam, good night Breloom.

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Breloom: 491-580 (187.4 - 221.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If both come out at the same time, Greninja is getting the **** out of there.
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#7thiaguinhohpPosted 5/3/2014 8:34:45 PM
Shadow sneak then ice beam and gg
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#8EnlinoPosted 5/3/2014 8:40:47 PM
252 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Breloom: 378-446 (116.6 - 137.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

He's not a counter, because if Greninja is already out then you can't switch in. Mach Punch is only a OHKO if he's weak to fighting or already around half health, so you can't reliably revenge kill either. Breloom's a good pokemon, but he's not great for dealing with Greninja.
#9gamemaster712Posted 5/3/2014 8:40:54 PM
If it runs shadow sneak, bye bye mushroom.
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#10Lonta_Beans2Posted 5/3/2014 8:45:26 PM
Hey Tonic.