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Eviolite Fletchinder surprisingly good for support.

#81Lord_ChivalryPosted 7/2/2014 6:50:13 PM
MuffinTheMew posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...
While I know you're saying that as a way to hate on my videos, part of me wants to think you don't want me to do it because it would prove quite a few people wrong, as I did with the Braixen a while ago.
Because many people here are unable to see past their nose, and those that can have their view blocked by their scarfchomps and mega kangs, so are unable to see the hidden gems that exist beyond the broken Pokes.


Dude, don't. I don't want you to be like Verlisify.


He already is "Gengar is a Mega kanga counter."
I will admit that the sub-disable set is a COULD decent check due to this:
Gengar used substitute.
Kangaskhan used crunch, The substitute faded...
Gengar used disable.
But Gengar's really squishy and if the opponent catches on and kanga is running Fire blast they can just use that to clear the sub then crunch you.
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#82TheRamosOnline(Topic Creator)Posted 7/2/2014 6:53:13 PM
Lord_Chivalry posted...
MuffinTheMew posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...
While I know you're saying that as a way to hate on my videos, part of me wants to think you don't want me to do it because it would prove quite a few people wrong, as I did with the Braixen a while ago.
Because many people here are unable to see past their nose, and those that can have their view blocked by their scarfchomps and mega kangs, so are unable to see the hidden gems that exist beyond the broken Pokes.


Dude, don't. I don't want you to be like Verlisify.


He already is "Gengar is a Mega kanga counter."
I will admit that the sub-disable set is a COULD decent check due to this:
Gengar used substitute.
Kangaskhan used crunch, The substitute faded...
Gengar used disable.
But Gengar's really squishy and if the opponent catches on and kanga is running Fire blast they can just use that to clear the sub then crunch you.


Then I'd say the other player was skilled and knew how to deal with counters.
Although I've never heard of a Fire Blast Kanga... Can that really break Gengar's sub?


MuffinTheMew posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...
While I know you're saying that as a way to hate on my videos, part of me wants to think you don't want me to do it because it would prove quite a few people wrong, as I did with the Braixen a while ago.
Because many people here are unable to see past their nose, and those that can have their view blocked by their scarfchomps and mega kangs, so are unable to see the hidden gems that exist beyond the broken Pokes.


Dude, don't. I don't want you to be like Verlisify.


Explain more.
I'm open to criticism, and do want to avoid the pitfalls that caught Verlis.
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#83AlphanumericPosted 7/2/2014 6:54:49 PM
TheRamosOnline posted...

While I know you're saying that as a way to hate on my videos, part of me wants to think you don't want me to do it because it would prove quite a few people wrong, as I did with the Braixen a while ago.


You didn't prove anybody wrong, people can use all sorts of horrible pokemon and still potentially win, winning with bad pokemon vs bad players proves nothing.

Braixen has near0% usage in NU and Fletchinder's item usage stat shows that 90% don't even hold an item, which speaks way more about those mon's viability than you do.
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#84Lord_ChivalryPosted 7/2/2014 6:56:11 PM
TheRamosOnline posted...
I've never heard of a Fire Blast Kanga...


Get out from under your rock and it's NOT a COUNTER if it CAN BE DEALT WITH BY the thing IT "COUNTERS".
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#85TheRamosOnline(Topic Creator)Posted 7/2/2014 7:09:56 PM(edited)
Alphanumeric posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...

While I know you're saying that as a way to hate on my videos, part of me wants to think you don't want me to do it because it would prove quite a few people wrong, as I did with the Braixen a while ago.


You didn't prove anybody wrong, people can use all sorts of horrible pokemon and still potentially win, winning with bad pokemon vs bad players proves nothing.

Braixen has near0% usage in NU and Fletchinder's item usage stat shows that 90% don't even hold an item, which speaks way more about those mon's viability than you do.


It isn't about winning, I don't understand why people keep assuming it is.
It's consistently having that Pokemon preform well in the given role in multiple battles. And that's what I was able to do with Braixen, Floette, Jigglypuff, to a smaller extent Clefairy, and my best was Gothorita.
I was even able to use Kirlia effectively, although nowhere near as consistently reliable as the others.

I don't care what the masses run, I couldn't care less.
What matters is the crazy strat I decide to run and whether or not it works. Again, regardless of whether or not I win the battle. A Pokemon can do its job well and still faint under pressure or good predicts.

What I find amazing is how I can share that strategy, get ridiculed for it then show how well I made it work, only to get showered with "lol well any bad pokemon can work well against bad players" in response. It's a poor way of covering up the damaged ego of those who preached about how "bad" the idea was.
I mean look at this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTfzZly0Cuk
Now tell me I made the "terribad Jigglypuff work against a bad player".

Now this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTAmT-Z5FR4
I made Braixen function as a wall for far longer than I expected it too. Sadly, it didn't do too much other than wall in this battle, but I should have a vs recording of it functioning well somewhere.
Now tell me Joe is a bad player for getting walled by a Braixen.

Now look at this (pardon the quality, this was pre-capture card);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi0IuoIdK8g
I made a doubles Chesnaught and it walled a tryhard team, with little difficulty. And the other player was hellaskilled.
Now tell me I made the worst starter work against an unskilled player.

Last one (again, pre-capture card);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAeUvbwejy4
I made Gothorita work well, and she became the core of my team for multiple videos before I replaced her with Aromatisse. Now tell me I made a Pokemon so crappy that not even its final evo is used work well against a bad player.

Pardon the long ass reply, but I wanted to get this said and done.
I'm able to consistently make these Pokemon work well, regardless of whether I win or lose.
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#86TheRamosOnline(Topic Creator)Posted 7/2/2014 7:09:05 PM
Lord_Chivalry posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...
I've never heard of a Fire Blast Kanga...


Get out from under your rock and it's NOT a COUNTER if it CAN BE DEALT WITH BY the thing IT "COUNTERS".


Fine, so it's a check.
What's the damn difference, it deals with Kanga either way.
And I do state in the video I mention this that "I mispoke", only to have several people point out that despite the slip up, Gengar does deal with Kang using the Sub+Disable set.
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#87Lord_ChivalryPosted 7/2/2014 7:14:22 PM
TheRamosOnline posted...
Lord_Chivalry posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...
I've never heard of a Fire Blast Kanga...


Get out from under your rock and it's NOT a COUNTER if it CAN BE DEALT WITH BY the thing IT "COUNTERS".


Fine, so it's a check.
What's the damn difference, it deals with Kanga either way.
And I do state in the video I mention this that "I mispoke", only to have several people point out that despite the slip up, Gengar does deal with Kang using the Sub+Disable set.

The difference is a counter can come in and kill it or force it out with no causalities on the defending end while a check can revenge kill it or force it out AFTER a teammate has FAINTED.
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#88MuffinTheMewPosted 7/2/2014 7:15:57 PM
TheRamosOnline posted...
Explain more.
I'm open to criticism, and do want to avoid the pitfalls that caught Verlis.


Like, don't do stupid gimmicky s*** similar to Verlisify's Charge Beam Furfrou. Why would any good player use Eviolite Braixen/Fletchinder when:

1. They're clearly not meant to be defensive.
2. There are clearly much better options.
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#89AlphanumericPosted 7/2/2014 7:41:26 PM
I disagree with your assertion that a sub optimal pokemon that does better than you expect it to yet still gets knocked out with relative ease and causes your team to be weaker overall still "fulfilled its role," and I'm betting that most people would also disagree with you. If the pokemon really fulfilled its role, than you would be causing you to win games, not lose them. I mean, isn't that the point of putting certain pokemon in team? So they increase your percentage of winning? That being said, I understand that not everyone is a major tryhard and that people like just playing with your favorites. But what I don't understand is who you can claim that something "does its job" when it just straight up faints.

I'm not really sure what you expect when you use dumb stuff like jigglypuff or braixen; do you expect their moves to always miss or loss HP every turn. You're giving a pokemon bulk investment and an eviolite, are really surprised that its taking hit "relatively well?" You could have saved the time breeding defensive mons and just put numbers in a calculator if you just wanted to know how that situation would turn out. Everything outclassed can function under the right circumstances, and under the best circumstances, can perform even better than whatever outclasses it! But usually, these situations are are hard to force or happen upon, which is why people call s*** like eviolite braixen or support fletchinder garbage. It may be usable and better every 1/1000 battles, but most of the time it dumb gatbaje compared to what you could be using.
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#90TheRamosOnline(Topic Creator)Posted 7/3/2014 2:37:22 AM
MuffinTheMew posted...
TheRamosOnline posted...
Explain more.
I'm open to criticism, and do want to avoid the pitfalls that caught Verlis.


Like, don't do stupid gimmicky s*** similar to Verlisify's Charge Beam Furfrou. Why would any good player use Eviolite Braixen/Fletchinder when:

1. They're clearly not meant to be defensive.
2. There are clearly much better options.


I want my builds and statergies to stray from the norm.
What fun is there in using and making videos on the builds everyone else uses? A good example of someone who does the same thing is Pimpnite.
It's mostly to keep the NU Pokes fresh so you're not seeing the same 6 Pokemon every week.

Alphanumeric posted...
I disagree with your assertion that a sub optimal pokemon that does better than you expect it to yet still gets knocked out with relative ease and causes your team to be weaker overall still "fulfilled its role," and I'm betting that most people would also disagree with you. If the pokemon really fulfilled its role, than you would be causing you to win games, not lose them. I mean, isn't that the point of putting certain pokemon in team? So they increase your percentage of winning? That being said, I understand that not everyone is a major tryhard and that people like just playing with your favorites. But what I don't understand is who you can claim that something "does its job" when it just straight up faints.

I'm not really sure what you expect when you use dumb stuff like jigglypuff or braixen; do you expect their moves to always miss or loss HP every turn. You're giving a pokemon bulk investment and an eviolite, are really surprised that its taking hit "relatively well?" You could have saved the time breeding defensive mons and just put numbers in a calculator if you just wanted to know how that situation would turn out. Everything outclassed can function under the right circumstances, and under the best circumstances, can perform even better than whatever outclasses it! But usually, these situations are are hard to force or happen upon, which is why people call s*** like eviolite braixen or support fletchinder garbage. It may be usable and better every 1/1000 battles, but most of the time it dumb gatbaje compared to what you could be using.


I enjoy the challenge. Is there really a problem with someone using Pokemon they like after finding a way to make them work well?
Jigglypuff gets Friend Guard and with Eviolite can tank hits slightly better than Wigglytuff.
Give it a support move pool and bam. Anything next to it will take less damage.

Sorry if that sounded a bit ranty, just woke up. Anywho, watch this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTfzZly0Cuk

It didn't straight up faint and actually did a LOT of work. My Musharna survived a Crunch among other things thanks to Friend Guard and didn't get knocked out with ease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUToTEDZpF8
This one isn't as good as the other player wasn't that skilled, but it gives you more of an example of how well Jigglypuff can be.

As for the Braixen among other things, you do know about the other tiers, right? Braixen is very good in NU as a wall, I've even seen another player use one.
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