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What is regular Charizard doing in OU?

#1Typhlosion271Posted 7/11/2014 7:17:30 PM
Was making a NU team in Showdown and found no Zard. I was curious where he went and found him lounging in OU. Charizard X and Y I understand but why is something so underwhelming like Charizard tiered in OU? Normally the base counterpart and their mega are separated. Alakazam in UU while its Mega is BL etc.
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#2brStalkerPosted 7/11/2014 7:20:09 PM
Typhlosion271 posted...
Normally the base counterpart and their mega are separated.


Wrong. Mega evolutions are consequence of a held item, and not a different form of the pokemon. Hence why when smogon ban a Mega evolution, they ban the item, not the pokemon.
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#3Typhlosion271(Topic Creator)Posted 7/11/2014 7:35:34 PM
So y can't they put Charizardite X and Y in OU and place regular ole Charizard back to NU? There is no point in putting him in lions pit
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#4zelionxPosted 7/11/2014 7:36:50 PM
this looks familiar...
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#5BeatScrafty2Posted 7/11/2014 7:43:16 PM(edited)
Typhlosion271 posted...
So y can't they put Charizardite X and Y in OU and place regular ole Charizard back to NU? There is no point in putting him in lions pit

That just brings back the whole "why can't I use Blaze Blaziken in OU if it was speed boost that broke it?" It gives people the idea any mon can be used in any tier with restrictions.
#6Typhlosion271(Topic Creator)Posted 7/11/2014 7:48:29 PM
Yeah. I see your point. I didn't think of all the complication it'll bring. But due to this, some Pokemon aren't use to full potential. Like how a regular Venusaur makes a decent wall in UU.
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#7Tsukasa1891Posted 7/11/2014 7:50:16 PM
It's just part of their complex bans that they like to pretend they don't like.
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#8German_koffingPosted 7/11/2014 7:52:30 PM
Tsukasa1891 posted...
It's just part of their complex bans that they like to pretend they don't like.


How is Charizard being Ou a part of a complete ban unless you mean banning charizard xy to ou and leaving charizard nu which case I'm an idiot :)
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#9Malky36tPosted 7/11/2014 7:52:37 PM
Don't forget the main deciding factor of the tiering is usage Charizard is way above the OU cutoff
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#10zelionxPosted 7/11/2014 7:53:10 PM
Tsukasa1891 posted...
It's just part of their complex bans that they like to pretend they don't like.


It has nothing to do with complex bans. Think about it this way. What if Smogon came out and said Charizardite X and Y are now banned to BL and thus only usable in OU.

Charizard would be NU right? No, Charizard would still be high in OU usage because the base form is needed to mega evolve. It's simple mathematics.
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