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M.Lucario does not deserve a ban

#21kokobeng10000(Topic Creator)Posted 7/12/2014 3:43:30 AM(edited)
TalesOfXAndY posted...
kokobeng10000 posted...
kingjam1 posted...
Sigh. Extreme Speed Mega Lucario beats Talonflame. What are these counters? What are these other megas?


HOW? Talonflame Gale wing brave bird takes it out before M.Lucario can do ANYTHING. Even if Lucario hit it with E.speed, talonflame wouldn't die.


+2 252 Atk Mega Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 250-295 (83.8 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Talonflame lives,goes for the Brave Bird:252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 262-309 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

It has a chance to take down Mega Lucario,if it does it dies to recoil.
And if it doesn't it still dies to recoil.
Not exactly a great counter if it has to sacrifice itself in order to have a chance to beat Mega Luke.


Where did you get this bs information? Talonflame clearly kills Lucario with a brave bird and NO, it doesn't die after.
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#22darkdragonflamePosted 7/12/2014 3:43:34 AM
Octaz posted...
Rad_Dudesman posted...
After a Nasty Plot, it 2HKOs Eviolite Chansey with Aura Sphere.


that is not a particularly impressive damage calculation (regular Lucario does this too)


IIRC Life orb modest +2 Lucario does max. 74.8% while modest +2 Mega Lucario does at least. 73.8%
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#23LexifoxPosted 7/12/2014 3:48:46 AM
Rothion posted...
Says the scrub who uses Mega-Kangaskhan, lol


If it's legal, then there's nothing wrong with using it.
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#2417MasterPosted 7/12/2014 3:53:51 AM
kokobeng10000 posted...
TalesOfXAndY posted...
kokobeng10000 posted...
kingjam1 posted...
Sigh. Extreme Speed Mega Lucario beats Talonflame. What are these counters? What are these other megas?


HOW? Talonflame Gale wing brave bird takes it out before M.Lucario can do ANYTHING. Even if Lucario hit it with E.speed, talonflame wouldn't die.


+2 252 Atk Mega Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 250-295 (83.8 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Talonflame lives,goes for the Brave Bird:252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 262-309 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

It has a chance to take down Mega Lucario,if it does it dies to recoil.
And if it doesn't it still dies to recoil.
Not exactly a great counter if it has to sacrifice itself in order to have a chance to beat Mega Luke.


Where did you get this bs information? Talonflame clearly kills Lucario with a brave bird and NO, it doesn't die after.


I just ran the same calculation, and Talonflame does not clean OHKO Mega Lucario off a Choice Band Brave Bird. It does totally overkill with a Flare Blitz, however.

At best, Talon has round about 70 HP left after taking a +2 ExtremeSpeed, and Brave Bird would hit for a minimum of 260 damage. At 1/3 recoil it would KO itself even if it failed to take out Luke.

I am not saying kingjam1's scenario is how the match would play out, but it is accurate for the scenario he/she chose.
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#25DustAndAshPosted 7/12/2014 3:56:09 AM
Rothion posted...
FairyTrainer posted...
Rothion posted...
FairyTrainer posted...
I completely agree with you actually. I run a monotype normal team and although Mega Lucario could wipe out my slow pokemon easily, it was easily countered by my faster pokemon as it only really takes one hit to KO. Most teams have a choice scarf user too so it's not like it was like Mega Blaziken which couldn't be Outsped most of the time and had an amazing attack stat, I don't know how they didn't think that would be broken af.


Says the scrub who uses Mega-Kangaskhan, lol


Hey you remember me lol. At least I actually try and counter every pokemon I come across rather than moan about it on forums though


You can't counter anything with multiple sets, which, by the way, have specific counters (physical, special, and mixed).

But that's Gamefaqs, so I'll save my saliva for more useful things. Also, you suck


Do you have health issues with all that salt?
#26JudgmenlPosted 7/12/2014 3:56:54 AM(edited)
252+ Atk Mega Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 138-163 (46.3 - 54.6%) -- 60.5% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 262-309 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 524-618 (186.4 - 219.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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#27CaliberChampPosted 7/12/2014 3:56:33 AM
Sableye beats it. Pretty much any ghost type does. I also know that my klefki can beat it.
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#28jamstaere08Posted 7/12/2014 4:01:00 AM
CaliberChamp posted...
Sableye beats it. Pretty much any ghost type does. I also know that my klefki can beat it.


You know it gets Shadow Ball/Crunch/Dark Pulse, right?

Anyway:

252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sableye: 174-206 (57.2 - 67.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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#29DoctorBrockPosted 7/12/2014 4:13:38 AM
Why is it banned? Hmm, let's think...

1) Very unpredictable
2) Can easily switch into something that it threatens, set up a boost, and proceed to sweep a team
3) Access to multiple priority moves
4) Base 145/140 offenses and Adaptability
5) A trollish speed bump to base 112 allows it to easily OHKO would-be threats such as Garchomp, Landorus, Latios, Gengar, Terrakion, and both Mega Charizards with only one boost
6) Has no true counter

Yes, it definitely does not deserve a ban.
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#30spooky96Posted 7/12/2014 4:57:52 AM
LightningAce11 posted...
*sigh* gamefaqs being gamefaqs in this topic.

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