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What do you think of cloning, genning and powersaves?

#21Rayquaza_is_ZPosted 7/13/2014 4:38:20 AM
FireMage7777 posted...
Cheating can't be good for the community


Where TF do you think everyone got their 6IV Dittos from? Their Diancies?
They're more of a short cut really than cheating.
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#22rojsePosted 7/13/2014 4:38:45 AM
MrPototo posted...
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Lets reserve words like evil for truly awful stuff which the vast majority of humanity finds abhorrent. As much as I dislike such practices, people that clone/gen/powersave/whatever do not even rate.


Pragmatism is the way forward!


The more stuff you label "evil", and the more trivial a circumstance or situation that you apply the label "evil" to, the less the word "evil" means.


You're right. I'm sorry. MrPototo is a lexical terrorist. The world will have to find new words for terrible deeds as a result of this poll. Seriously though, I see where you're coming from. Sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable.


I'm not exactly uncomfortable, I just find it difficult to genuinely respond to the poll where powersaving/cloning/whatever is either abhorrently and abjectly evil or perfectly fine. I disagree with it, but I'd find it hard to place cheating in a video game anywhere near the same league as the actions of people and groups that genuinely merit the label of "evil".
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#23MrPototo(Topic Creator)Posted 7/13/2014 4:39:06 AM
I feel that for a game which is often played competitively (not just in terms of battles, but in terms of who has the coolest Pokemon, who has the most complete Pokedex etc) the anti-hacking and anti-cheating "controls" are woefully thin on the ground. It's a shoddy state of affairs, really, but I suppose this has been part of Pokemon ever since Gen 1.
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#24FireMage7777Posted 7/13/2014 4:40:06 AM
Rayquaza_is_Z posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
Cheating can't be good for the community


Where TF do you think everyone got their 6IV Dittos from? Their Diancies?
They're more of a short cut really than cheating.


And neither are good for the community as they are the results of cheating
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#25MrPototo(Topic Creator)Posted 7/13/2014 4:43:03 AM
I'm not exactly uncomfortable, I just find it difficult to genuinely respond to the poll where powersaving/cloning/whatever is either abhorrently and abjectly evil or perfectly fine. I disagree with it, but I'd find it hard to place cheating in a video game anywhere near the same league as the actions of people and groups that genuinely merit the label of "evil".


I appreciate your concern, but you must be accustomed to the hyperbolic use of vernacular in the English language. Many times when people communicate, they do not explicitly mean and endorse the exact denotation of the words they choose. Through pragmatism and semantics, we can make sense of what each other is saying. Besides, it's all context-dependent. If an individual will equate the use of the word "evil" in a Pokemon discussion to (for example) the use of the word "evil" in child-trafficking rings, then that individual probably needs to step back and assess their lives.

But whatever, let's just agree to disagree. I can see how my words could have been viewed as insensitive. Please, can we put this behind us? :D
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#26rojsePosted 7/13/2014 4:44:22 AM
MrPototo posted...
I'm not exactly uncomfortable, I just find it difficult to genuinely respond to the poll where powersaving/cloning/whatever is either abhorrently and abjectly evil or perfectly fine. I disagree with it, but I'd find it hard to place cheating in a video game anywhere near the same league as the actions of people and groups that genuinely merit the label of "evil".


I appreciate your concern, but you must be accustomed to the hyperbolic use of vernacular in the English language. Many times when people communicate, they do not explicitly mean and endorse the exact denotation of the words they choose. Through pragmatism and semantics, we can make sense of what each other is saying. Besides, it's all context-dependent. If an individual will equate the use of the word "evil" in a Pokemon discussion to (for example) the use of the word "evil" in child-trafficking rings, then that individual probably needs to step back and assess their lives.

But whatever, let's just agree to disagree. I can see how my words could have been viewed as insensitive. Please, can we put this behind us? :D


Yeah, sure, I'm fine with that.
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#27Mr_PopelPosted 7/13/2014 4:51:48 AM
Well it does kind of ruin the 'exclusive' touch of most shinies (esp. self hatched ones, i'm still proud of them though) ... although i have to admit a Darkrai, Shaymin etc. that have my own ID/SID, and perhaps even 6IVd would be really nice ... esp. Darkrai, just f*** those in person/japan exclusive events!
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#28MrPototo(Topic Creator)Posted 7/13/2014 4:54:53 AM
Mr_Popel posted...
Well it does kind of ruin the 'exclusive' touch of most shinies (esp. self hatched ones, i'm still proud of them though) ... although i have to admit a Darkrai, Shaymin etc. that have my own ID/SID, and perhaps even 6IVd would be really nice ... esp. Darkrai, just f*** those in person/japan exclusive events!


Yeah, events exclusive to Japan can be irking. But, through the joys of cloning, we can all enjoy it. Swings and roundabouts, I guess. I'd still prefer to have the legit version of the event though.
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#29ChapFromKrugisPosted 7/13/2014 4:57:49 AM
FireMage7777 posted...
Rayquaza_is_Z posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Unless it gives them an unfair advantage in the game, they can do whatever the hell they want.


This. Plus, it has done more good for this *cough* community than bad.


Cheating can't be good for the community


Yes it can. Cheating's great.
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#30FireMage7777Posted 7/13/2014 5:01:23 AM
ChapFromKrugis posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
Rayquaza_is_Z posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Unless it gives them an unfair advantage in the game, they can do whatever the hell they want.


This. Plus, it has done more good for this *cough* community than bad.


Cheating can't be good for the community


Yes it can. Cheating's great.


No, it's not. It's wrong. You can't argue against facts
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