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What do you think of cloning, genning and powersaves?

#231FireMage7777Posted 7/14/2014 2:28:13 PM
Inferno05 posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
Inferno05 posted...
Fire Mage, you said all descendants of hacks regardless of how many generations down and regardless of whether you even hacked the Pokemon yourself (or even knew it was hacked) should be considered cheating.

So by your logic, if we want to be considered legit we should pretty much never trade over the forums (only with people we know personally), never use WT or GTS, and you're pretty much implying that even legit breeders are cheating because they took the shortcut of receiving some cloned or hacked perfect ditto.

Further into your logic, competitive shouldn't even be a thing because more than 90% of Pokemon players either 1. hack, 2. use descendants of hacks, or 3. have hacked mon they don't know about (possibly referring back to 2).


What's so hard about that?


The fact that it's absolute BS. You're pretty much telling a lot of perfectly legit players that they're cheating, and again going against the very definitions of cheating and hacked Pokemon.

There are actual rules to tell you that you're wrong. Those are the rules that are directly applied to VGC competitions. Yes, they're broken often without being caught but they do create an official definition (and thereby fact) that contradicts what you say.

So since your statements are opposite of the rules and facts established by the developing company, proper logic dictates you're spouting nonsense.

What was it you said? You can't argue with facts? There they are, laid out for you.


You want one fact that overrides everything you have to say? Here it is. Cheating either directly or indirectly is wrong, and you are doing either by breeding/battling/playing with/etc anything but 100% legit Pokémon that have never in any way been the result of hacking, genning, etc no matter how many generations ago. There's a fact, get over it, and good day. You may leave now
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#232AnneliessePosted 7/14/2014 2:32:11 PM
Who cares? It's a game, let people play how they want.
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#233LightningAce11Posted 7/14/2014 2:33:08 PM
Since people probably used 6iv ditto to breed pokemon for vgc tournaments, and they weren't disqualified, what do you think of that?
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#234Inferno05Posted 7/14/2014 2:42:18 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
You want one fact that overrides everything you have to say? Here it is. Cheating either directly or indirectly is wrong, and you are doing either by breeding/battling/playing with/etc anything but 100% legit Pokémon that have never in any way been the result of hacking, genning, etc no matter how many generations ago. There's a fact, get over it, and good day. You may leave now


I sense ruffled jimmies, as you have just tried to apply an opinion as fact.

Here's what just happened, let me sum it up:

I came at you with rules and definitions given by GF and TPCi. In other words, the authorities on this or any other Pokemon matter have rules that directly defy all but one of your views on cheating. The only thing you and they both view as cheating is direct modification.

In response to actual authoritative definitions, you came at me with subjective views. And yes, your view on this is subjective. Morals are entirely subjective, because they change from person to person. You cannot claim subjective statements to be "fact", it's a logical fallacy. The fact that there is even a debate on whether legal hacks are "fair" or not proves the whole thing is subjective, which is why it's never won: People apply subjective reasoning on both sides.

What we have here is a rare case where objectivity takes place in a hacking argument, as you have directly made claims that contradict actual facts that have been laid out before you.

Try again, good sir, and this time please make it a challenge.
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#235German_koffingPosted 7/14/2014 2:47:20 PM
Burn heals burn heals get them right here only 175 pokedollars(?)
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#236WyndetalPosted 7/14/2014 2:49:12 PM
German_koffing posted...
Burn heals burn heals get them right here only 175 pokedollars(?)


Isn't he a fire Mage? He most likely gets burned all the time, so he probably has a surplus of them!
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#237German_koffingPosted 7/14/2014 2:52:34 PM
LightningAce11 posted...
Since people probably used 6iv ditto to breed pokemon for vgc tournaments, and they weren't disqualified, what do you think of that?


The pokemon are not hacked :)
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#238German_koffingPosted 7/14/2014 2:53:37 PM
Wyndetal posted...
German_koffing posted...
Burn heals burn heals get them right here only 175 pokedollars(?)


Isn't he a fire Mage? He most likely gets burned all the time, so he probably has a surplus of them!


How do you think I got my supply of burn heal :)
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#239WyndetalPosted 7/14/2014 2:55:32 PM
German_koffing posted...
Wyndetal posted...
German_koffing posted...
Burn heals burn heals get them right here only 175 pokedollars(?)


Isn't he a fire Mage? He most likely gets burned all the time, so he probably has a surplus of them!


How do you think I got my supply of burn heal :)


I see what you did there... XD
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#240ChapFromKrugisPosted 7/14/2014 2:59:39 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
You want one fact that overrides everything you have to say? Here it is. Cheating either directly or indirectly is wrong


I didn't think this needed to be said again, but lol morals in video games. Seriously Flashbang, get some new material or beat it.

Also, where are the Holocaust jokes? I was told this guy makes Holocaust jokes.
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