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Question about Masuda Method

#1Xtreme GamerPosted 8/8/2014 2:47:02 PM
Suppose I have an English Pokemon holding an Everstone breed with a Japanese Pokemon holding a Destiny Knot. Will I still have increased odds of hatching a shiny?
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#2Xtreme Gamer(Topic Creator)Posted 8/8/2014 3:01:01 PM
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#3RikkuEcRudPosted 8/8/2014 3:47:07 PM
I'm not really sure what the question is. Breeding Pokémon from two different regions is the Masuda Method and you are clearly stating that's what you're doing. What aspect of this do you think would make it not work?
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#4clayton1123Posted 8/8/2014 4:04:03 PM
2 Pokemon from the same regions = 1/8192
2 pokemon from 2 different regions (1 from japan 1 from germany) = 1/1365


Everstone only is used to hold by a pokemon to make sure its nature is passed down. For example a charmander with a timid nature holding an Everstone will pass down the timid nature to its offspring.

Destiny knot makes sure that 5 of the Pokemons IVs are passed down to its offspring.

If anyone wants to add to this/correct me if I have given wrong information feel free to quote me
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#5aparcheePosted 8/10/2014 7:11:35 AM
After trawling boards and forums it seems no-one knows whether the two items affect the Masuda method. Some say yes some say no but nothing offers actual proof.
Some people have hatched shinies this way and some have been quick, maybe the method's odds are decreased using the items rather than directly cancelling a chance of a shiny.
I've bred eggs for a few months now on and off and started just messing with eggs and parents etc without held items.

Shiny Honedge 1st egg.
Shiny Furfrou 9th egg.
Shiny Charmander 78th egg.

I then decided to try iv breeding and started with Mareep, having never tried this and it being my 1st Pokemon game on my son's advice lol it took me a while to get a 6iv Mareep. I used the destiny and everstone and hatched over 500 eggs to get a 6iv of which none of the eggs were shiny. I then tried with Scatterbug and hatched over 300 plus extras after the 4 6ivs trying to get a shiny and nothing.

Am currently after a shiny Ekans and stopped counting after 3000 eggs and that was 5 days ago and have hatched probably another 1000 plus since. Have 8 6iv Ekans but still no shiny.

I have the shiny charm and have had since the start of breeding and the oval charm for speeding eggs up etc, whether the shiny charm affects Masuda is still unknown to me.

I will continue the elusive Ekans hatching and start counting again to see if I can get one.
Obviously 3000+ is still a small example and every hatch is the same chance as the last but seems very contrasting the shinies gained using nothing and the shinies gained using held items.

Unlucky maybe, currently have just under 900 hrs played and have over 100 shinies from mostly friend safari or hordes including 9 shiny Mareep from hordes and my son says my game is broken and gives too many shinies, maybe not in the case of Masuda.

If anyone has any definitive proof the items don't affect the method I'd love to know.
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#6Xtreme Gamer(Topic Creator)Posted 8/12/2014 8:55:02 PM
What I'm asking is if held items have a negative affect on the Masuda Method.
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#7Xtreme Gamer(Topic Creator)Posted 8/13/2014 7:50:42 AM
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#8RedLinkJPosted 8/13/2014 7:53:35 AM
I think the guy above answered your question in that, there is no definitive answer. No one knows for sure.

aparchee posted...
After trawling boards and forums it seems no-one knows whether the two items affect the Masuda method. Some say yes some say no but nothing offers actual proof.
#9TrapinchfinderPosted 8/13/2014 7:59:55 AM
I can tell you that I have hatched all of my shiny pokemon while the parents held the everstone and destiny knot. I noticed that I have hatched most of them right around the 1000 egg mark.
#10aparcheePosted 8/13/2014 10:22:42 AM
Update to my mammoth post.
Finally hatched a 5iv shiny Evans using both destiny and everstone. 3000 eggs and I gave up counting, probably around another 1000 then started counting again and got to 1286 before the shiny. That makes around 5300 for a shiny. My success without the held items was way better. I'd say they decrease your chances or I just got very unlucky. Wish gamefreak would just tell us to be honest.

I've also bred a 6iv deino and a 6iv ferroseed since and had no shines during their breeding process. Going for Eevee next so will update in the future.
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