I'm creating this topic to change your mind a little about Mexico...
I will be brutally honest in this topic and I'm aware some of you won't like it, but I think it's important.
I've been watching and reading the news from the USA for the past 3 months (and I always do, just that I do more now), and the differences between what is happening and what they show in your television is disturbing.
We have problems with narcotraffic and nobody denies that. But the USA put us in a "fail state" status, next to Pakistan. I have to tell you: that's ridiculously far from the truth.
The deaths you might hear: people involved with the narcotraffic. Civilians almost never die. You will hear of death policemen which were killed by the narcotraffic because they knew too much (In other words, they were with them and planned to betray or something), some from the military and many drug dealers and mafia people.
I've seen messages of the presidency in which they say the USA is helping us and that it is the fault of Mexico that this is happening. This is where you will start disliking this message: while we have responsibility, the core of the issue is the United States. Why?
1.-The obvious: you're the consumers. Before us, it was Colombia; before Colombia, it was another country. The only truth is that the USA is, by far, the biggest drug consumer in the world and we're right next to you. Since we're a relatively very populated country, we're poorer than Canada and all the drug produced from South America has to pass through us, we're the perfect place for the USA to get the drugs. We have the highest demand of drug in the world right next to us, and thus the narcotraffic was bond to happen.
2.-This one you might not know of. 90% of the weapons, bombs and guns the mafia in Mexico uses is given by the very same USA. In other words: your country is giving the mafia a way to fight our government. Most of it is introduced in the country illegally, just like the drug is introduced to the USA. Of course, you don't hear about how the USA does nothing to prevent this to happen, since hundreds of millions of dollars are gained thanks to our mafia buying your weapons. What I've seen in all your channels and online newspapers is the mention of how the Mexican government fails to prevent the drugs from getting into the USA.
3.-This one is difficult to know: there are VERY high profile politicians in the USA that are working with the mafia. I will put it this way, and I hope you don't go telling this everywhere, because it's not good for me: the president of the supreme court of justice in Mexico is a relative of mine. I've never talked to him... but he talks all the time with my grandmother. Why does this matter? He has told my grandmother (who used to be a fan of the USA) how some politicians (senators and such) from the USA have pressured him to aid some mafia people in some cases. As you might guess, he has the power to control a lot of the trials to people here in Mexico, and when you have the giant power that the USA is pressuring you to do something, things get ugly.
I already knew that it was obvious that FBI and other organizations (sorry for lack of a better word) were corrupted, since it's impossible all that drug is consumed in the USA without the country knowing, but this is much worse than I expected.
I got into a discussion with an American on another forum yesterday. He insulted Mexico in different ways and claimed we were "lucky that the USA even gave you some money". He claimed the following: "You can't blame our delinquents for buying when your delinquents provide it. Take responsibility for your own drug trade without trying to push it on another people. Nobody's forcing you to grow and deal in it."
I hope you share my disagreement with that argument. Why did he say that? Because I said this: The USA's budget for the military has been in the range of 600-750 billion dollars a year. The real expenses have actually been much higher. All that account for 50% of all the money spent on military budget in the ENTIRE world. In other words: the USA spends 10 times more than China on it's military. I will say another thing you might dislike: that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard, that a country claiming for peace and freedom spends much more on weapons than any other and spends as much as the rest of the world. So, in my opinion, I would be glad that if they actually spent all that in the name of reaching peace, they should better use 60% of that money to help other countries with education, health issues and, why not, help México with the narcotraffic that is actually influenced by the USA. He disagreed using the above statement.
I will be frank: while we have responsibility on this, right now, the Mexican government is doing a HUGE effort to fight the mafias; that cannot be said about the USA. Of course, you don't hear on television the historical things that are happening in Mexico: the presidency arrested 10 mayors for helping the mafias, 60 policemen in Nuevo Leon, about 80 policemen in Veracruz, some hundreds in other states. There have been hundreds of people arrested for being in the mafia, including many people that are high in the ranks: last week they caught the second in command in the strongest mafia, two months ago they caught the founder of the Zetas, the biggest growing mafia, and I could keep going. In confiscation, they have taken weapons that are worth about 70 million dollars (over 90% from the USA) and about 350 million dollars in cash. A year and a half ago, they intercepted 9 tons of drugs worth 70 million dollars and a few months ago they caught another bunch that was worth something like 40 millions. All the weeks, you hear about confiscation of drugs that were worth several millions (and they usually talk in dollars, actually).
A father of a "friend" (not really a friend) is friends of the narcotraffic. He told us they are actually having some difficult times and that the drug business is becoming so problematic, some are getting into kidnapping and piracy (now, that would be OUR problem). The father of another friend was a very high profile person in the completely corrupted AFI (which is gone now), and the friend tells us how it was ridiculously corrupted (his father included in that corruption, the man is a very bad person), and that that's why they closed it. The AFI was similar to your FBI.
In other words: the government, in the past three years, has been very busy fighting the drug cartels. The increase on the budget to fight the cartels was over 40% this year of 2009.
Back to the USA: There was this thing called "iniciativa Mérida", in which the USA was suppose to give a huge amount of money to Mexico to fight the mafias. What happened? Your politicians decided it was not a priority and reduced the budget dramatically. The support given were something like 40 cars that "can take bullets". If you think that's enough to fight a billionaire illegal industry, think it twice.
And to end:
The problem has grown a lot, but mostly for three reasons: Mexican politicians that are corrupted, the USA demanding a lot of drugs for their consume and the USA providing the mafia with weapons.
As long as the USA doesn't try to fix those two big issues or seriously helps us with the rest, the problem will remain. This is what in politics they call a bilateral problem: both parties have to help each other.
Well, you didn't say anything that I didn't already know or that didn't surprise me. I would caution though that the American media coverage of recent events is not necessarily indicative of actual American opinion on the matter. (Experiences on the internet should be no benchmark for obvious reasons)
US news reports love stories with a body count. Supposedly crime reporting keeps people watching, though if you want my opinion most programs appeal to the lowest common denominator so they don't have to produce journalism of quality since it doesn't pay worth a damn.
Either way the story in Mexico is a story worth telling, and any misrepresentation is the result of the unrelated problems in our television news industry. (Though I think you'll find what's left of the print media will be more accurate)
However, I do think Mexico should (and does) take responsibility for what happens within its borders. Politically, I think you can't place all the blame on us, and it would be a mistake to believe that any problem is Mexico could be solved just by an internal change in the US, or that we would do so simply for Mexico's benefit. It doesn't work that way. But I think through mutual cooperation a solution can and will be found.
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only idiots blame Mexico specifically for the drug and weapons trafficking. Most of them also think that anyone speaking in another language is talking about them specifically.
True story, one of my friends swears this group of hispanic kids at our school would talk about him whenever he walked by their lunch spot.
From: Hadri | Posted: 6/7/2009 8:31:16 AM | #004
When I was a child, I spoke and thought as a child. But when I became a man, I had that child taken out back and shot. ~Bill McNeal
From: Hadri | #004
I'm aware and I agree. That's why I mention the bilateral thing.
I know how much responsible we're in all this, but saying that it's all our fault and that the USA has done already too much for us, I find ridiculous.
Also, I would appreciate if you had discretion with the issue of my relative. As you might guess, it's information that shouldn't reach the mainstream. I can't post that in more populated forums, because it would be stupid for me to do that.
USA! USA! USA! No I'm kidding.
Mexico's a really beautiful place. I've only been to Cancun but I always hear stories about these really nice beaches and resorts. Man I wish I can go.
Holy crap I was sooooo off topic! XD
saying that it's all our fault and that the USA has done already too much for us, I find ridiculous.
It is ridiculous. It's a weak argument without a basis; basically a fallacy. I hate it when people say stuff like that about anything. All things considered, the USA probably owes Mexico a couple.
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