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Do Software Engineers or Computer Scientists get paid more?

#1__hello__Posted 5/15/2012 8:51:52 PM
I've always thought that Software Engineering would be the higher paid degree out of those two but I keep getting conflicted info with some saying CS gets paid more. Yes I know I shouldn't be doing this just for the money but it's just got me curious why CS gets higher pay than software engineering. When I researched about colleges in America it seemed alot of the top places didn't offer software engineering as a bachelor degree so I'm a little confused about this as well.

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#2Frost_shock_FTWPosted 5/15/2012 8:53:10 PM
Either degree will make you eligible for the same jobs, so it depends on the job.
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#3__hello__(Topic Creator)Posted 5/15/2012 9:15:39 PM
Well it seems like Software is more practical whereas CS is more theoretical. Like what benefits does being more theoretical have over practicality? What's the better of the two to pursue for Undergrad studies?
As for the jobs thing some of the sites split the two majors and Forbes claims that CS has quite a large pay increase compared to Software
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#4TheNazzaroPosted 5/15/2012 9:16:28 PM
Both majors are a lot more broad than you give them credit for.
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#5Erik212Posted 5/15/2012 9:34:28 PM
Software Engineering is a major? I am CS, but we are hired as software engineers all the time. You can pretty much choose to go into either industry or academia. CS is probably superior to Software Engineering as a major because you learn all the things behind programming and both software and some hardware, which lets you understand when you code, instead of just cranking out code without knowing what happens underneath it all. Just my opinion...
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#6__hello__(Topic Creator)Posted 5/15/2012 9:35:22 PM
^ Please elaborate >_>
I probably don't understand it as clearly since our tertiary education system (NZs) is different than America's tertiary education system. Like we have a standalone Bachelors called Bachelors of Engineering (insert specialisation here) whereas in America there's only a BSc and BA
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#7__hello__(Topic Creator)Posted 5/15/2012 9:43:23 PM
Well for us it seems that CS is less complex than Software (and yeah software engineering is a major here in New Zealand) however I do believe they involve hardware as well.
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#8__hello__(Topic Creator)Posted 5/16/2012 5:28:33 AM
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#9ElementalWindPosted 5/16/2012 6:13:27 AM
What's the better of the two to pursue for Undergrad studies?
It depends on what you want to work on, but you probably won't have a good idea of that until you've at least been at school for a while.

Software Engineering is a major? I am CS, but we are hired as software engineers all the time. You can pretty much choose to go into either industry or academia. CS is probably superior to Software Engineering as a major because you learn all the things behind programming and both software and some hardware, which lets you understand when you code, instead of just cranking out code without knowing what happens underneath it all. Just my opinion...
At some schools, yes, there is a software engineering major. Where I went, the software engineering major mostly just had more project-oriented coursework requirements (but both majors required the same introductory architecture course, with any other hardware course only counting as elective).
As for whatever school TC is considering, the only way to know the difference between the curricula is to look at the curricula.
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#10cg92Posted 5/16/2012 8:15:51 AM
I'm currently doing a Software Engineering degree in the UK, I just finished my second year and about to go into a year in industry for 13 months.

We have shared modules with the CS degree too, throughout the first year, we both did a Systems Architecture module, so things like how hardware actually works, a Java programming module, in which I built a fully functioning game, a networks module based on TCP/IP structure, basic things such as bandwidth, subnet masking etc. And recently we both shared a OS module, things like Kernal, Unix programming, Memory Allocation etc.

Oh and a computation and reasoning module.

We both also had a module based on software design principles, and one based on Data structures and algorithms.

In terms of difference, CS do more programming then us, we do more Software feasibility, reliability and structure.

For example, they had two modules this year based on Language Processors and programming in Haskell.
Whilst we, the software engineers had a module in Formal Methods, which is used to test safety critical software using maths to ensure some software will work before testing it, and I have an exam in two days on Software Measurement and reliability, which involves statistical modeling of software, which is used to assess when software is ready to be made available, bug fixing etc.

In terms of money, I have asked many Software Engineers and Computer Scientists and from what I gathered, Software engineers start as programmers but move up the job hierarchy into more managerial positions, whilst Computer Scientists stay lower level and just code all day. From what i've seen, SE get paid more IMO, but I may be wrong.

On the first day of University, they said in the first lecture:
"Software Engineers are the architects, Computer Scientists are the builders"

Hope this helps.
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