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neroAngelo
Posted 6/1/2012 2:55:09 PM
nobleisthyname posted...
I thought you were implying that vim wasn't a powerful tool to code with.


It's not if you compare it to a real IDE.
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Skul_
Posted 6/2/2012 7:21:01 PM
If you dont want an ide, use Notepad++.
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Treason686
Posted 6/2/2012 7:24:47 PM
Why not use an IDE? I never understood this. It can make programming so much easier.

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ElementalWind
Posted 6/2/2012 8:18:29 PM
Why not use an IDE? I never understood this. It can make programming so much easier.
My experience with IDEs has generally been that they are more heavy-handed than I like about imposing a particular organization for the project (including their own special project description files). I suppose it's also worth adding than when we switch our first-year students from Racket to Java, their asking for help getting their code to work mostly gets replaced by asking for help getting Eclipse to work.
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Darkness_Heir
Posted 6/2/2012 8:35:06 PM
Personally, I think the way my university does it is a fairly good way of learning:

Use a fairly basic IDE to begin with, since it allows you to easily compile and see errors in your code. We learn Racket at this level. Then switch to a basic text editor to learn C with RunC plugin that allows a shortcut to compile. You work in a Virtual Machine with Ubuntu now, so you can get used to command-line and a Linux distro.

At second level, you almost have to use a command-line interface to program and debug because of the tools you'll need to use are on the Linux servers, which you have to ssh for.

So, a very basic IDE -> basic text editor -> command-line (emacs, vim) -> a full fledged IDE is probably a really good way to learn. Why? Because it eases you into programming without the help of an IDE. It would be easier to learn to code in vim then go into an IDE, than to use an IDE before using a command-line interface. Also, it forces more good practices since some IDE's might have auto-complete and such meaning you don't have to think about your code as much.
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darktheron
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Posted 6/2/2012 9:59:10 PM
Ok thanks for all the responses guys. I have a c++ for Dummies book that my friend lent me but the book has a CD that comes with it but he doesn't know where it is at. The book says i can download a free version of c++ from it called GNU C++ or i can download from the internet.

I tried downloading it from the internet website www.deloreon.com looking for the
GNU C++ program but i can't find the actual download part for that program. Does know where to download that one at or help me find it off the website? Thanks for all the help so far.
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darktheron
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Posted 6/2/2012 10:42:04 PM
Also does does anyone know what how to make this symbol appear in coding. its like an F but with a line extending all the way up and down. Basically its a "/" with what looks like an F in there and backwords F as well. I don't know how to bring it up on the computer.
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ivanwind15
Posted 6/2/2012 11:05:22 PM
darktheron posted...
Also does does anyone know what how to make this symbol appear in coding. its like an F but with a line extending all the way up and down. Basically its a "/" with what looks like an F in there and backwords F as well. I don't know how to bring it up on the computer.


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ElementalWind
Posted 6/3/2012 6:13:43 AM
Does know where to download that one at or help me find it off the website?
If you're trying to use GNU software on Windows, try cygwin.com or mingw.org

Also does does anyone know what how to make this symbol appear in coding. its like an F but with a line extending all the way up and down. Basically its a "/" with what looks like an F in there and backwords F as well. I don't know how to bring it up on the computer.
o_0 Can you post a picture of this symbol?
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The cranky hermit
Posted 6/3/2012 7:03:39 AM
So, a very basic IDE -> basic text editor -> command-line (emacs, vim) -> a full fledged IDE is probably a really good way to learn. Why? Because it eases you into programming without the help of an IDE. It would be easier to learn to code in vim then go into an IDE, than to use an IDE before using a command-line interface.

That's dumb. Yeah, I suppose it would be difficult to go from IDE to CLI, but why would you do that? That's like saying you should learn how to cook by rubbing sticks together before moving on to an electric stove.

Also, it forces more good practices since some IDE's might have auto-complete and such meaning you don't have to think about your code as much.

I think you have very little experience with actual projects if you think that's what "good practices" and "thinking about code" entails.

Using an IDE's auto-complete features means you don't have to worry too much about syntax, which is a good thing if your IDE is smart enough to get the auto-complete right on a consistent basis. It frees you up to spend more time thinking about code structure, and actual good practices, like separating concerns and other practices that help make sure your code will be readable by someone who isn't you.
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