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Why you should vote for Obama if you care at all about internet openness.

#141New LinkPosted 11/5/2012 7:03:24 PM
1shadetail1 posted...
Snacks23 posted...
please tell me how obama is not exactly as bad as romney

The President has all combat troops out of Iraq and is drawing down Afghanistan on schedule. Romney has criticized both of these moves and wants to reverse them. The President is relying on negotiations and international diplomacy to deal with Iran. Romney has declared his desire for a unilateral attack.

And that's just for starters.


Oh man I can't find my bull**** key. You forget about the military-industrial complex we have. You aren't counting the thousands of "defence contractors" (read: mercenaries) we still have in Iraq.
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#142Snacks23Posted 11/5/2012 7:03:24 PM
1shadetail1 posted...
The President has all combat troops out of Iraq and is drawing down Afghanistan on schedule. Romney has criticized both of these moves and wants to reverse them. The President is relying on negotiations and international diplomacy to deal with Iran. Romney has declared his desire for a unilateral attack.

And that's just for starters.



to your first point about combat troops in iraq


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/08/20/129333260/combat-brigades-still-in-iraq-just-renamed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081905642.html



to your second point about iran


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81754.html


so obama's plan to deal with iran is to enact sanctions and if the sanctions don't work we go to war and israel goes with us


how about romney's stance on iran?


http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Iran.php


yeah he's stammering but he says "we enact sanctions, we fund insurgents, and if we can't get our way through that, it's war"


obama: "We'll enact sanctions and if it doesn't work, war"

romney: "We'll enact sanctions and if it doesn't work, war"
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#143Mike_HD2(Topic Creator)Posted 11/5/2012 7:04:45 PM
From: Dave_is_my_name | #170
Mike_HD2 posted...
From: Snuckie7 | #164
Snacks brought up the drones to justify why the US spends 6 times as much as China on it's military, which is of course, completely wrong. The drones killing civilians is just a side point.


And there's also the fact that it was the MILITARY who decided they didn't need an increased military budget. It wasn't Obama, or any of his party pals, it was the f***ing miltary, who i'd say have a better idea about how much money they need than Mitt 'Five Trillion' Romney.


You don't even understand what his plan was. It's not just arbitrarily raising the military budget, it's tying a specific percentage to the GDP.


I understand what his plan is just fine thank you very much, not that that's relevant. The fact is that Romney would have given them an extra TWO TRILLION that the military don't want or need.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/24/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-would-spend-2-trilllion-military/
#144Dave_is_my_namePosted 11/5/2012 7:07:56 PM
Mike_HD2 posted...
From: Dave_is_my_name | #170
Mike_HD2 posted...
From: Snuckie7 | #164
Snacks brought up the drones to justify why the US spends 6 times as much as China on it's military, which is of course, completely wrong. The drones killing civilians is just a side point.


And there's also the fact that it was the MILITARY who decided they didn't need an increased military budget. It wasn't Obama, or any of his party pals, it was the f***ing miltary, who i'd say have a better idea about how much money they need than Mitt 'Five Trillion' Romney.


You don't even understand what his plan was. It's not just arbitrarily raising the military budget, it's tying a specific percentage to the GDP.


I understand what his plan is just fine thank you very much, not that that's relevant. The fact is that Romney would have given them an extra TWO TRILLION that the military don't want or need.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/24/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-would-spend-2-trilllion-military/


Over a ten year period based on projections of GDP growth. And it's a restructuring of the way things are done, so of course it wasn't 'asked' for, but on your claim the military doesn't WANT it, you can't be serious.
#145OreoBoy206Posted 11/5/2012 7:08:40 PM
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Political-Action-Legislation/Obama-Builds-Modern-Navy-Romney-Stuck-in-1916
#146Snacks23Posted 11/5/2012 7:09:55 PM
Mike_HD2 posted...
I understand what his plan is just fine thank you very much, not that that's relevant. The fact is that Romney would have given them an extra TWO TRILLION that the military don't want or need.




"No please mr president, we dont need all this money dont make us take it!"


"That's too bad! We need more horses and bayonets!"


"Please mr president, we care about the american people and we certainly dont want to waste their tax dollars!"


you can't be serious
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#1471shadetail1Posted 11/5/2012 7:13:23 PM
Snacks23 posted...
1shadetail1 posted...
The President has all combat troops out of Iraq and is drawing down Afghanistan on schedule. Romney has criticized both of these moves and wants to reverse them. The President is relying on negotiations and international diplomacy to deal with Iran. Romney has declared his desire for a unilateral attack.

And that's just for starters.



to your first point about combat troops in iraq


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/08/20/129333260/combat-brigades-still-in-iraq-just-renamed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081905642.html



to your second point about iran


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81754.html


so obama's plan to deal with iran is to enact sanctions and if the sanctions don't work we go to war and israel goes with us


how about romney's stance on iran?


http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Iran.php


yeah he's stammering but he says "we enact sanctions, we fund insurgents, and if we can't get our way through that, it's war"


obama: "We'll enact sanctions and if it doesn't work, war"

romney: "We'll enact sanctions and if it doesn't work, war"

So, as I said, all combat troops are out of Iraq, because the troops still deployed there are no longer in combat roles. And I notice you aren't denying Afghanistan. Also, relying on *Politico*, a well known right-wing-bootlicker site, for info on the President's positions? I don't know whether to merely raise my eyebrows at you, or outright laugh in your face.

And finally, depending on just one of Romney's statements to pin down what he believes is even more laughable than linking to Politico. He's a habitual liar who has flip-flopped on literally everything. He *has* declared his desire for a unilateral strike against Iran, as I pointed out, and he might be serious for all you know. The President, by contrast, has consistently disagreed with that.

So I satisfied your request to show how the two men are different, and you're just spinning your wheels trying to deny the facts. Seriously, you are one of the worst Dunning-Kruger effect sufferers I've ever seen.
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#148JustPlainEvilPosted 11/5/2012 7:14:49 PM(edited)
most repubs won't work with or like obama because they're prejudice, as well as take their imaginary religion seriousor allow anyone to have a choice other than theirs.
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#149ThescyyPosted 11/5/2012 7:19:20 PM(edited)
Mike_HD2 posted...
From: Dave_is_my_name | #170
Mike_HD2 posted...
From: Snuckie7 | #164
Snacks brought up the drones to justify why the US spends 6 times as much as China on it's military, which is of course, completely wrong. The drones killing civilians is just a side point.


And there's also the fact that it was the MILITARY who decided they didn't need an increased military budget. It wasn't Obama, or any of his party pals, it was the f***ing miltary, who i'd say have a better idea about how much money they need than Mitt 'Five Trillion' Romney.


You don't even understand what his plan was. It's not just arbitrarily raising the military budget, it's tying a specific percentage to the GDP.


I understand what his plan is just fine thank you very much, not that that's relevant. The fact is that Romney would have given them an extra TWO TRILLION that the military don't want or need.



You do realize that the person who puts forth the amount that the military requests is someone Obama selected for his Cabinet right? Another nice little misconstrued fact that no one seems to want to point out. Now that being said I'm not arguing for more military spending but that's just a BS claim the left has been hitting around for awhile now.

JustPlainEvil posted...
most repubs won't work with or like obama because they're prejudice, as well as take their imaginary religion seriousor allow anyone to have a choice other than theirs.


You do realize Obama has been one of the most partisian presidents in a very, very long time right?
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#150JustPlainEvilPosted 11/5/2012 7:19:24 PM
From: Orestes417 | #006
As if Romney being an unprincipled rich boy who tries to play both sides of more or less every issue weren't enough. Hell, be better off bringing Dubya back than voting for that clown. I don't have any great love for Obama, but until the Republicans grow a clue and get someone electable he'll be the only realistic choice.


if a regular person has to think of a way rape can be justified, they should not be running our country or be in charge.
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