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Oblivion GOTY Special Ed. or Skyrim Legendary Ed.?

#11xanthan1Posted 7/31/2013 2:49:03 PM(edited)
PraetorXyn posted...
xanthan1 posted...
MrMonkhouse posted...
ITT: People think Skyrim is actually a good game.


You going to actually say whats bad about the game itself and not whats bad if you treat as an RPG?


You don't get to exclude arguments that make your point look bad. The game is the fifth in what is possibly the most mainstream and well-known open world RPG series in existence. Therefore it gets evaluated as suc.


So if a series has a genre change at any point you completely ignore it and keep judging it as if it was in the same genre as before.

You see what's horribly stupid about that, right? They've been action RPG's for the past 2 games and shifting more and more to just "action". To keep judging it as what it no longer is would be stupid.

Actually, do you actually have an argument for it being bad that doesn't rely on "It's bad compared to Morrowind" or some such and is actually based on Skyrim itself?
#12donbrifwayPosted 7/31/2013 2:43:35 PM
SlashmanSG posted...
I just recently reinstalled Oblivion GOTH Digital Deluxe and modded it. Super nostalgic for 3 hours and then I just wanted to play Skyrim.


Oblivion: Game of the Hour edition was the best.
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#13PraetorXynPosted 7/31/2013 4:02:19 PM
xanthan1 posted...
PraetorXyn posted...
xanthan1 posted...
MrMonkhouse posted...
ITT: People think Skyrim is actually a good game.


You going to actually say whats bad about the game itself and not whats bad if you treat as an RPG?


You don't get to exclude arguments that make your point look bad. The game is the fifth in what is possibly the most mainstream and well-known open world RPG series in existence. Therefore it gets evaluated as suc.


So if a series has a genre change at any point you completely ignore it and keep judging it as if it was in the same genre as before.

You see what's horribly stupid about that, right? They've been action RPG's for the past 2 games and shifting more and more to just "action". To keep judging it as what it no longer is would be stupid.

Actually, do you actually have an argument for it being bad that doesn't rely on "It's bad compared to Morrowind" or some such and is actually based on Skyrim itself?


Oblivion was still an RPG, it just had other problems; I actually think the Guild Quests in Oblivion were very well done.

Skyrim is far from an action RPG, the mechanics are too advanced for that; it's an RPG, just a very shallow one compared to its predecessors.

If you're too lazy to watch the video I linked (I added it in an edit when i saw my typo and fixed it) there's no point in my explaining anything in detail.

My problems with Skyrim have less do with the simplified mechanics and more to do with how lazy Bethesda was in developing the game. Things like making the journal system so sparse that you absolutely can't find anything unless you leave the quest markers on, and then you're playing "follow the arrow" for 100 hours. Oblivion at least had directions and you could get by with the journal system off.

The dungeons being virtually the same, with Draugr consisting of 95% of the enemies therein. Just lazy things like that, and a plethora of them, ar ewhat ruins the game.
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#14SlashmanSGPosted 7/31/2013 4:05:24 PM
PraetorXyn posted...
The dungeons being virtually the same, with Draugr consisting of 95% of the enemies therein.


lol, and you claim to have played Oblivion?

I always love how design choices someone doesn't like = lazy developers.
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#15PraetorXynPosted 7/31/2013 4:11:00 PM
SlashmanSG posted...
PraetorXyn posted...
The dungeons being virtually the same, with Draugr consisting of 95% of the enemies therein.


lol, and you claim to have played Oblivion?

I always love how design choices someone doesn't like = lazy developers.


Show me where I said anything to the contrary about Oblivion. I'll wait.
I consider Oblivion the worst game of the series, but evaluating it as an RPG it still comes out ahead of Skyrim.
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#16KURRUPTORPosted 7/31/2013 4:14:13 PM
Morrowind was great oblivion was awful skyrim was good in its own right but didn't really feel like a TES game

Don't play oblivion if you wanna go old school just play Morrowind
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#17R0N1N187(Topic Creator)Posted 7/31/2013 4:22:50 PM
Oblivion has the same 9 dungeon varieties. Skyrim has more complex dungeons.
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#18sauruschamp1Posted 7/31/2013 6:14:09 PM
just grab the pack that includes morrowind oblivion and skyrim on steam when it goes on sale during christmas sales; saves you money and gives you lots of choice.
I would say that all 3 games a great but each has different strengths and weaknesses ie skyrim has a more streamlined combat system but nerfs the spell crafting system and has more boring quests while morrowind has better quests but suffers from some annoying combat "features" (ie a chance to miss the target when attacking which was left over from old school pnp rpgs).

And yes I agree that it is a shame that skyrim misses out on directions in quests (but there whole quest system is kind of boring) but the quest markers are a god send as the amount of time I wasted trying to find that one tree to go this way to go down that path was infuriating. I think the best solution is somewhere in between ie have questmarkers but more descriptive instructions.
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#19MrMonkhousePosted 7/31/2013 6:25:58 PM
For some reason I have a hard time playing dated games. FFVII, Persona 3 FES, and Dragon Quest VIII for example... they were very fun games back in the days when they were released, but for some reason they're just not as fun now. The only fun games are the ones the majority are playing.
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#20lionheart5656Posted 7/31/2013 6:27:28 PM
Oblivion has the better mod library BY FAR.

But Skyrim looks much better and has more features.

It's a toss up really. I'd probably just go with Skyrim though.

I like that they jacked the perk system from Fallout.
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