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List some strategy games that are both complex but intuitive

#21KillerTrufflePosted 8/26/2013 11:12:21 AM
easymodexz posted...
Yombiee posted...
Masters Of Orion


^^

Master of Orion and Master of Orion 2.

Not 3. Don'tplay3.


Edit:

I also liked Pax Imperia.


I'd agree with all of this.
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#22HighOnPhazonPosted 8/26/2013 5:47:49 PM
I played the EUIV demo last night. maybe I'm just a dumbass simpleton but I felt there was nothing intuitive about it, but I can tell it would be a pretty good game of given time.
Civ5 gets knocked for being dumbed down but I find it has the perfect balance if intuitive UI, gameplay and complexity. It can be a very strategic game if played on King level or higher, or a simple fun game on anything lower.
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#23TimePharaohPosted 8/26/2013 5:52:46 PM
Cool_Dude667 posted...
Xcom:EU


He said he didn't want it dumbed down just because it's new
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#24TheFeshPincePosted 8/26/2013 5:54:56 PM(edited)
Cool_Dude667 posted...
Xcom:EU, Starcraft 2 (you will be matched with players near/of your skill level), Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Shogun 2. All I can think of from the top of my head.

I heard that new dragon commander game is decent too.

Edit: Sins of a Solar Empire, Command and Conquer 3/Kane's Wrath, Company of Heroes 1/2 are also fun and intuitive. Plants Vs Zombies is a decent timewaster, same with Tropico 4.

I've recently been playing a indie game called Eador:Masters of the Broken World and it is very engrossing but takes awhile to learn the ropes.


Yes, dude, yes. Mostly Starcraft 2 and Sins of a Solar Empire.
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#25TastyKittyMMMM(Topic Creator)Posted 8/26/2013 6:40:19 PM
Are there any modern + complex fantasy games? Something like Europa Universalis but fictionalized.
#26Last Grand MageX2Posted 8/26/2013 6:43:34 PM
TimePharaoh posted...
Cool_Dude667 posted...
Xcom:EU


He said he didn't want it dumbed down just because it's new


XCOM:EU isn't dumbed down, it's just no longer purposefully frustrating.
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#27jakisthePosted 8/26/2013 6:56:45 PM
Achron




Nah, that game is ridiculous. I'd say Starcraft 2 is a fantastic entry point.
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#28TastyKittyMMMM(Topic Creator)Posted 8/27/2013 2:03:59 PM
Last Grand MageX2 posted...
TimePharaoh posted...
Cool_Dude667 posted...
Xcom:EU


He said he didn't want it dumbed down just because it's new


XCOM:EU isn't dumbed down, it's just no longer purposefully frustrating.


I've read a few things about the old XCOM and yeah, I don't think I have any intention to play that. Seems that a lot of what made the old XCOM hard was unintentional glitches and poorly implemented features.

Anyhow, another question about Paradox games: EUIV and Crusader Kings II seem like obvious choices. Complex but intuitive menus. What about Victoria and Hearts of Iron? Hearts of Iron in particular REALLY appeals to me conceptually but I hear it's easily one of the more obtuse Paradox games. Should I wait for the eventual Hearts of Iron IV which might hopefully be easier to grasp, a la what they did to EUIV?
#29Master_BassPosted 8/27/2013 2:52:40 PM
TowerBooks3192 posted...

Yup! in fact its even the easiest and most straightforward paradox game ever. You could not avoid that there will be some number crunching involved if you really want to get to the bottom of things even in games as simple as Civ V. That game is pretty much straightforward for a paradox title.

This. It's a lot easier than Victoria II for example.
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#30Last Grand MageX2Posted 8/27/2013 4:36:46 PM
TastyKittyMMMM posted...
Last Grand MageX2 posted...
TimePharaoh posted...
Cool_Dude667 posted...
Xcom:EU


He said he didn't want it dumbed down just because it's new


XCOM:EU isn't dumbed down, it's just no longer purposefully frustrating.


I've read a few things about the old XCOM and yeah, I don't think I have any intention to play that. Seems that a lot of what made the old XCOM hard was unintentional glitches and poorly implemented features.

Anyhow, another question about Paradox games: EUIV and Crusader Kings II seem like obvious choices. Complex but intuitive menus. What about Victoria and Hearts of Iron? Hearts of Iron in particular REALLY appeals to me conceptually but I hear it's easily one of the more obtuse Paradox games. Should I wait for the eventual Hearts of Iron IV which might hopefully be easier to grasp, a la what they did to EUIV?


XCOM:EU is an absolute must play when it comes to turn-based strategy combat games though. Honestly, it doesn't have much competition, especially considering that the Fire Emblem games will never see a non-Nintendo platform release, but even still it's an almost perfect game.

I'd also recommend trying out a Total War game. They're primarily turn-based grand strategy games, but you can take direct, real-time control over your armies in combat. If you've ever thought that the biggest problem with RTS games is that your keystrokes per second was too big of a deal, then give a Total War game a shot. I'd personally recommend Fall of the Samurai, which does not require the base game Total War: Shogun II. However, Medieval is also a good choice, and it probably has the most and best mods, if that's something you'd be interested in.
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