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Is Civilization IV a good place to start learning about 4x games?

#1HaxnStashPosted 8/30/2013 6:57:38 PM
The complete collection is very cheap on amazon atm. I've always wanted to try out and maybe learn to play the Civilization games. Is it newb friendly?

The game close to it that I played was Sins of a Solar Empire. But that's a mix of RTS and 4x at the same time and I never got the gist of it.
#22Dhas_a_MIGRANEPosted 8/30/2013 7:00:38 PM
Either IV or V will be a good start. If you get IV now definitely get V when it's on sale if you like it.
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#3HighOnPhazonPosted 8/30/2013 8:24:47 PM
V is easier to learn. IV is still considered one of the deeper releases of the series.

I started with V, learned to love it. It's accessible enough for new comers yet deep enough to learn and start playing at higher levels once you become more accustomed to the gameplay.
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#4kelemvorPosted 8/30/2013 8:43:54 PM
Civ 2 or Master of Orion 2 (if you can get them to work) are great introductions. I would say they are deeper than Civilization 5 but don't have the same "breadth"... if that makes sense. Pretty easy to learn though, especially Civ 2. MoO2 is a different kind of 4x game, more akin to Galactic Civilizations except with more intricate ship battles.

Civilzation IV and Alpha Centauri have both breadth and depth, and are some of the most rewarding 4x games you can play. Civ 5 is still good, I'm probably going to get the latest expansion this holiday weekend and sink some more time into it.
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#5SinfullyvannilaPosted 8/30/2013 8:55:50 PM(edited)
Civ5 or Endless Space are the best to get started in. Most of the rest of them have layers of obfuscation to deal with, those two put everything on the table for you, and have excellent UI's.

Or Civ4 Colonization. Peole don't recommend that one enough.

Civ 4 is a pretty good place to start though.
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#6MwulfPosted 8/30/2013 8:56:21 PM
Is Civilization a 4X game? I was under the impression 4X was RTS styled like Sins of a Solar Empire or Europa Universalis?

And, anyway, if you want to get into Civilization... the beginning and end is Civilization 5.
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#7SinfullyvannilaPosted 8/30/2013 9:03:08 PM(edited)
Mwulf posted...
Is Civilization a 4X game? I was under the impression 4X was RTS styled like Sins of a Solar Empire or Europa Universalis?

And, anyway, if you want to get into Civilization... the beginning and end is Civilization 5.


Nah, SOASE is a RTS game heavilly inspired by 4X, and EU is a Grand Strategy game.

Civ1 is the ur-4X game.
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#8MwulfPosted 8/30/2013 9:20:37 PM
...okay.

Honestly, I've been playing Strategy games since the first Age of Empires came out, and only started seeing the term 4X pop up recently. I've never really understood what it meant--why it warranted being an explicitly different thing from RTS or TBS.
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#9The_Pig_HostagePosted 8/30/2013 9:36:04 PM
Civ V is all you need.

It's much more intuitive than IV.
#10ZukkusPosted 8/30/2013 9:47:09 PM
Civ V took the complexity from Civ IV and ripped it out. Civ IV isn't complicated by any means, but has deeper systems.
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