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Why the hate against AMD?

#11ZeraphLordSPosted 9/17/2013 1:11:38 AM
hate =/= lack of love

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#12KamenRiderBladePosted 9/17/2013 1:11:53 AM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Most people don't do the research, but AMD is fine for it's price point.

I'm not saying that AMD will win the high end or even compete there like the old days, but for it's money, AMD's high end is worth it compared to a comparably priced Intel

People like to hate on AMD because it's easy to root for a winner.

It's hard to take the time to really investigate the performance of AMD and compare it against a comparable Intel and see the value.

In all honesty, I'll probably end up buying a AMD FX-8350 sometime in the near future. It's value to performance ratio is good enough that I find it a worthy upgrade.


TBH, 8350 isn't a very good deal. FX6300 is where AMD's value is at it's best. Anything else, and you may as well get an intel alternative.
It's kind of funny, though, that AMD tried to price the FX8 series as high as they did initially. $250 for something that gets trounced by $200 intel CPUs. It was so embarrassing that Intel actually raised their prices. :|


http://www.microcenter.com/product/401795/FX_8350_4GHz_AM3_Black_Edition_Boxed_Processor
$180, I can pick it up, since I can drive down to my local Micro Center
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#13KilronPosted 9/17/2013 1:33:32 AM
Supposedly AMD cards don't handle antialiasing as well as other cards. Not that I would know, I never use AA. I do know some programs like Blender simply don't work as well as they should or are flat out unable to use some features, but if what I'm reading on their support forums is true, AMD is working on better Blender support as we speak.
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#14DarkZV2BetaPosted 9/17/2013 1:36:06 AM
KamenRiderBlade posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Most people don't do the research, but AMD is fine for it's price point.

I'm not saying that AMD will win the high end or even compete there like the old days, but for it's money, AMD's high end is worth it compared to a comparably priced Intel

People like to hate on AMD because it's easy to root for a winner.

It's hard to take the time to really investigate the performance of AMD and compare it against a comparable Intel and see the value.

In all honesty, I'll probably end up buying a AMD FX-8350 sometime in the near future. It's value to performance ratio is good enough that I find it a worthy upgrade.


TBH, 8350 isn't a very good deal. FX6300 is where AMD's value is at it's best. Anything else, and you may as well get an intel alternative.
It's kind of funny, though, that AMD tried to price the FX8 series as high as they did initially. $250 for something that gets trounced by $200 intel CPUs. It was so embarrassing that Intel actually raised their prices. :|


http://www.microcenter.com/product/401795/FX_8350_4GHz_AM3_Black_Edition_Boxed_Processor
$180, I can pick it up, since I can drive down to my local Micro Center


8150 vs 2500k.
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#15OmegaDL50Posted 9/17/2013 2:12:01 AM(edited)
KamenRiderBlade posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Most people don't do the research, but AMD is fine for it's price point.

I'm not saying that AMD will win the high end or even compete there like the old days, but for it's money, AMD's high end is worth it compared to a comparably priced Intel

People like to hate on AMD because it's easy to root for a winner.

It's hard to take the time to really investigate the performance of AMD and compare it against a comparable Intel and see the value.

In all honesty, I'll probably end up buying a AMD FX-8350 sometime in the near future. It's value to performance ratio is good enough that I find it a worthy upgrade.


TBH, 8350 isn't a very good deal. FX6300 is where AMD's value is at it's best. Anything else, and you may as well get an intel alternative.
It's kind of funny, though, that AMD tried to price the FX8 series as high as they did initially. $250 for something that gets trounced by $200 intel CPUs. It was so embarrassing that Intel actually raised their prices. :|


http://www.microcenter.com/product/401795/FX_8350_4GHz_AM3_Black_Edition_Boxed_Processor
$180, I can pick it up, since I can drive down to my local Micro Center


And for $10 more you can get this
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_Socket_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor

In multithreaded apps the 8350 has some advantages but beyond this. The Intel has more performance in everything else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o

EDIT - To add the video shows the i5 3570 at 4.2Ghz against a 8350 at 4.6Ghz, that is a 400Mhz difference at the i5 is getting almost the same performance at a lesser clock. So put that into consideration.
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#16KamenRiderBladePosted 9/17/2013 3:00:32 AM
OmegaDL50 posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Most people don't do the research, but AMD is fine for it's price point.

I'm not saying that AMD will win the high end or even compete there like the old days, but for it's money, AMD's high end is worth it compared to a comparably priced Intel

People like to hate on AMD because it's easy to root for a winner.

It's hard to take the time to really investigate the performance of AMD and compare it against a comparable Intel and see the value.

In all honesty, I'll probably end up buying a AMD FX-8350 sometime in the near future. It's value to performance ratio is good enough that I find it a worthy upgrade.


TBH, 8350 isn't a very good deal. FX6300 is where AMD's value is at it's best. Anything else, and you may as well get an intel alternative.
It's kind of funny, though, that AMD tried to price the FX8 series as high as they did initially. $250 for something that gets trounced by $200 intel CPUs. It was so embarrassing that Intel actually raised their prices. :|


http://www.microcenter.com/product/401795/FX_8350_4GHz_AM3_Black_Edition_Boxed_Processor
$180, I can pick it up, since I can drive down to my local Micro Center


And for $10 more you can get this
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_Socket_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor

In multithreaded apps the 8350 has some advantages but beyond this. The Intel has more performance in everything else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o

EDIT - To add the video shows the i5 3570 at 4.2Ghz against a 8350 at 4.6Ghz, that is a 400Mhz difference at the i5 is getting almost the same performance at a lesser clock. So put that into consideration.


Yeah I know the difference between the FX-8350 / i5 3570k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc&list=PLFF80669C984F6315&index=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVGwj1_Qno&list=PLFF80669C984F6315&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE&list=PLFF80669C984F6315&index=4
The difference isn't as bad as alot of people would present it


I'm also not fond of Intel's way of doing business where they intentionally have their compiler cripple performance for non Intel CPU's:
http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49


Even here, AMD FX-8350 vs i5 3570k is a toss up
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=701


Then there are things like MS's patch for process scheduling on FX CPU's that does help performance.


In the end, I'm probably going with AMD for several reasons
1) Price is within my ball park
2) I really don't like Intel's behavior with their compiler, especially since their compilers affect ALOT of programs, I really don't want to reward what I consider immoral business practices
3) I've always prefered AMD as a company compared to Intel
4) Intel doesn't need the money, AMD does

If I'm ever going to use a 3rd party math library for my projects
I'll be using this one:
http://www.yeppp.info/home/yeppp-performance-numbers
http://www.yeppp.info/home/new-functions-for-polynomial-evaluation
This library has a far more balanced approach for Intel and non Intel CPU's
The creator of the library doesn't favor any one architecture

In the end, I'll be going AMD, and I'm ok with the consequences of doing so.
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#17ZeraphLordSPosted 9/17/2013 3:30:59 AM
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Even here, AMD FX-8350 vs i5 3570k is a toss up
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=701


except amd lost every single game benchmark

when you can pay 1/18th more for the intel, it's difficult to call amd's offering value for money unless you're going to be getting specific use out of certain multi-threaded apps

also amd is supplying the GPU and CPU of all the next-gen consoles, i'm not sure they're as pressed for money as you think; there are branches other than desktop computing

fair enough if that's what how you want to spend your money though
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#18MarikhenPosted 9/17/2013 3:40:14 AM
ZeraphLordS posted...
also amd is supplying the GPU and CPU of all the next-gen consoles, i'm not sure they're as pressed for money as you think; there are branches other than desktop computing


I seem to recall various statements over the years as to how console hardware is usually if not always sold at a loss. While it's not likely one has to wonder if part of that "loss" is passed on to component manufacturers. In the unlikely event that it is then AMD might not be getting as much money out of the deal as someone might think.
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#19OmegaDL50Posted 9/17/2013 3:58:51 AM
I won't even click that link if that is the Tek Syndicate comparison, I'm just letting you know it's been proven across multiple forums and hardware that numbers they use are very dubious and inconsistent.

I don't see why you are trying to paint Intel in a negative light as a "business", and yet AMD does plenty of shady nonsense that can mislead buyers feeding their ignorance by ALSO doing their own rigging of benchmark scores to favor of chips to have usual performance differences in the synthetic numbers that don't even match the real world performance where it matters.

(I'm referring to this discussion here - http://www.overclock.net/t/1407562/guru3d-amd-fx-9590-centurion-benchmarks-surface with some of the numbers saying an 8350 is better then true Hex-Core 3930k and 3970x which anyone with some common sense would know is complete bunk.
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#20KamenRiderBladePosted 9/17/2013 4:03:01 AM
ZeraphLordS posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Even here, AMD FX-8350 vs i5 3570k is a toss up
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=701


except amd lost every single game benchmark

when you can pay 1/18th more for the intel, it's difficult to call amd's offering value for money unless you're going to be getting specific use out of certain multi-threaded apps

also amd is supplying the GPU and CPU of all the next-gen consoles, i'm not sure they're as pressed for money as you think; there are branches other than desktop computing

fair enough if that's what how you want to spend your money though


If you actually bothered to watch the Youtube videos from the Tek Syndicate reviews

AMD does win quite a few benchmarks

Benchmark results can be cherry picked to show favorable results, it wouldn't be the first time in history that has happened
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