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I would just like to say that Origin is really as bad as everyone says

#31LostHisHardcorePosted 9/12/2013 3:26:31 AM
Ea employee number? You misunderstood. Try reading the thread next time.
I'm not blaming valve for anything, just merely stating that you're mug if you buy games from the store at full retail price.
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#32godplaysSNESPosted 9/12/2013 3:28:32 AM
TimePharaoh posted...
LostHisHardcore posted...
I'd agree with that. I think GOG has the best poilcy and I hope they get bigger in the future. As for Steam, I only buy games on there during the sales. You'd be a fool to spend full retail price on a game from Steam, well, imo atleast.


What policy is that? Not using DRM? Because Steam isn't DRM, with hundreds of games on it not using DRM...

When did this trend of derpblamevalve for the decisions of developers that they have absolutely nothing to do with come in? And it's always by derps who apparently don't even know what Steam is.

What's your EA employee number?


Steam itself is DRM. No gaming for you unless you're logged onto Steam.

He could as well ask you for your Valve employee number
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#33johnny_payPosted 9/12/2013 3:32:04 AM
TimePharaoh posted...
LostHisHardcore posted...
I'd agree with that. I think GOG has the best poilcy and I hope they get bigger in the future. As for Steam, I only buy games on there during the sales. You'd be a fool to spend full retail price on a game from Steam, well, imo atleast.


What policy is that? Not using DRM? Because Steam isn't DRM, with hundreds of games on it not using DRM...


Steam is a digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer and communications platform developed by Valve Corporation.


very first sentence from the wiki page about steam, you were saying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software)
#34_GRIM_FANDANGO_Posted 9/12/2013 4:31:07 AM(edited)
TimePharaoh posted...
_GRIM_FANDANGO_ posted...
They also need to understand that the thing Origin is most notorious for, keeping the titles of the publisher exclusive to their download service, is a strategy that was pioneered by Valve with their games, which they later even started doing with 3rd party games like Skyrim.

People feel as though they are better off with Steam, because let's be honest, with the sales in summer and around christmas, you can not really complain about the prices. But there are also negative things that we see that is a result of their position in the market. The artificially high prices for COD games is one example of a pricing strategy that is only viable because of their position in the market. Without competition and with games being exclusively available on their download platform, that also now means that you leave your entire PC gaming experience in the hands of this one company.


ITT: Steam (a storefront which third party companies use to sell their products) sets the prices for other peoples games, and also forces them to use their tools to lock down their games.


waitwut


That is not what I said,...at all. I am saying that the market that is created when there is a lack of competition and alternative ways of buying a game is one that is unhealthy and where consumers are easily exploited. Steam does not have to set prices for this to happen. Take Skyrim for example, and assume Bethesda Softworks sets the price. If the game were released both through Steam and through conventional stand-alone retail methods, it would diminish the amount of control any price setter, regardless of who it is, has over the pricing of the game.

The other thing is that even if Steam had no control whatsoever over the price, you could still question whether that is actually a good thing. In the past, retailers could choose their own pricing strategies when it came to games, much like they could with other products. Now for new games, this was not really that interesting since they all charged the same. But when games got older you would see a wide variety of prices in stores. You can question whether the publisher or developer setting the price themselves is actually beneficial to the consumer here.

Finally, there is another reason why Steam/Valve can, at least theoretically, increase prices. That is because even though no one knows how much exactly, they take a cut from the sales. Now of course, so does every distribution platform. However, the pitfall here is that when that distribution platform is the only one available to publish a game online, you do not know what that does to the cut that goes to the company that controls the only available distribution platform. Conventional wisdom would say that it increases once there are no alternatives. An increase consumers are likely to be paying for.

Now, I am not saying Steam is evil or guilty of any of these things. For all I know Steam might be bargaining for fair prices on the consumers behalf, or even put up the games on their platform completely free of cost, just for the benefit of the gaming community. All I am saying is that, at least theoretically, there are a lot of ways in which a monopoly in digital distribution might be something that we as consumers, should not want. That has nothing to do with Valve/Steam, or EA/Origin, or Blizzard/Battle.net. It had more to do with the incentives it creates, and how you can rationally expect companies to behave in response to them.
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#35sonicteam2k1Posted 9/12/2013 4:12:44 AM
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/eas-origin-service-is-basically-spyware-according-/1100-3616/

"It's fair to point out that Valve's Steam service also does some of the things listed here when you use it. However, the trick is that Steam allows users to opt out of any and all such practices. Origin has no such opt-out feature, and in fact states that you cannot use the service at all unless you agree to their terms."
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#36Eclypse9810Posted 9/12/2013 4:23:42 AM
sonicteam2k1 posted...
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/eas-origin-service-is-basically-spyware-according-/1100-3616/

"It's fair to point out that Valve's Steam service also does some of the things listed here when you use it. However, the trick is that Steam allows users to opt out of any and all such practices. Origin has no such opt-out feature, and in fact states that you cannot use the service at all unless you agree to their terms."


Posting information that's been outdated for over 2 years doesn't make you look smart, informed or bright. It makes you look ignorant.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-changes-origin-eula-6331203
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#37TheC0ndemnedOnePosted 9/12/2013 4:29:56 AM
I don't know if it's because people are still downloading the games from the bundle or what, but I get terrible download speeds. It starts off kind of fast (500 kB/s then gradually falls to like 150 kB/s; on Steam it maxes out my connection at about 2 MB/s and stays at 1-2 MB/s for the entire time.

I only get a time window of like four hours to do a lot of downloading, so I only get like 4% of Battlefield 3 downloaded per day, if I even remember to start the download.

Is there a way to verify the integrity of the game cache? I've been thinking about downloading Origin games from "other places", deleting the .exe and whatnot, and then having Origin download the official files.
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#38Eclypse9810Posted 9/12/2013 4:32:25 AM
TheC0ndemnedOne posted...
I don't know if it's because people are still downloading the games from the bundle or what, but I get terrible download speeds. It starts off kind of fast (500 kB/s then gradually falls to like 150 kB/s; on Steam it maxes out my connection at about 2 MB/s and stays at 1-2 MB/s for the entire time.

I only get a time window of like four hours to do a lot of downloading, so I only get like 4% of Battlefield 3 downloaded per day, if I even remember to start the download.

Is there a way to verify the integrity of the game cache? I've been thinking about downloading Origin games from "other places", deleting the .exe and whatnot, and then having Origin download the official files.


Odd, for me Steam downloads at 600~800 KB/s, while Origin goes to 1.05 ~ 1.4 MB/s
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#39lionheart5656Posted 9/12/2013 7:57:08 AM
johnny_pay posted...
TimePharaoh posted...
LostHisHardcore posted...
I'd agree with that. I think GOG has the best poilcy and I hope they get bigger in the future. As for Steam, I only buy games on there during the sales. You'd be a fool to spend full retail price on a game from Steam, well, imo atleast.


What policy is that? Not using DRM? Because Steam isn't DRM, with hundreds of games on it not using DRM...


Steam is a digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer and communications platform developed by Valve Corporation.


very first sentence from the wiki page about steam, you were saying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software)


Well you know how low the intelligence of someone is when they rely on a wiki page as proof.

Steam is not DRM. Steamworks is and that is optional for the developer.

Plenty of games run without starting steam.
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#40SinisterSlayPosted 9/12/2013 8:05:09 AM
Eclypse9810 posted...
sonicteam2k1 posted...
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/eas-origin-service-is-basically-spyware-according-/1100-3616/

"It's fair to point out that Valve's Steam service also does some of the things listed here when you use it. However, the trick is that Steam allows users to opt out of any and all such practices. Origin has no such opt-out feature, and in fact states that you cannot use the service at all unless you agree to their terms."


Posting information that's been outdated for over 2 years doesn't make you look smart, informed or bright. It makes you look ignorant.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-changes-origin-eula-6331203


Where do you opt out in steam?

I keep origin closed when I am not using it, but I keep steam open, so where do you opt out?
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