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Why do PC gamers have such a problem with people who don't build their own PC?

#61JudgmenlPosted 11/1/2013 2:32:15 AM
ITT: Misconceptions and cheap people.

You can probably go out to Best Buy right now (or whenever they open as it's 6:30am here) and buy a prebuilt + Graphics Card and end up only losing $100-$200 off of what you would have done with a sefl-build and not need to deal with RMAs, and assembly of anything other than the Graphics Card (OMG Put card into slot with the power off).

Give me a second I'll theorycraft you
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#62KamenRiderBladePosted 11/1/2013 2:36:08 AM
Judgmenl posted...
ITT: Misconceptions and cheap people.

You can probably go out to Best Buy right now (or whenever they open as it's 6:30am here) and buy a prebuilt + Graphics Card and end up only losing $100-$200 off of what you would have done with a sefl-build and not need to deal with RMAs, and assembly of anything other than the Graphics Card (OMG Put card into slot with the power off).

Give me a second I'll theorycraft you


Pre-builts, unless it's from a boutique where you can pick the parts, generally will go for the cheapest parts possible.

That's the thing I don't like about Pre-builts.

They never choose the most durable parts, in fact, they choose the cheapest parts possible to maximize profits.

I prefer choosing the most reliable and performant setup.
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#63NfuzedXGamerPosted 11/1/2013 2:48:19 AM
The onlya spect of building your own computer from the ground up is ordering your own parts YOU want. It does save you money vs buying a so called professional gaming pc where theyre charging you more for a arguably weaker system. Most sites or mircocenters use basic parts and throw in a hefty graphics card on top of a weak motherboard and so-so cpu and charge you double as oppossed to you ordering each part carefully and saving yourself a bundle of cash.

Lucky for me i have a friend who built mine for free, all i had to do was help him do some maintenance on his car. Trade off skill for skill.
#64JudgmenlPosted 11/1/2013 2:53:41 AM
KamenRiderBlade posted...
Judgmenl posted...
ITT: Misconceptions and cheap people.

You can probably go out to Best Buy right now (or whenever they open as it's 6:30am here) and buy a prebuilt + Graphics Card and end up only losing $100-$200 off of what you would have done with a sefl-build and not need to deal with RMAs, and assembly of anything other than the Graphics Card (OMG Put card into slot with the power off).

Give me a second I'll theorycraft you


Pre-builts, unless it's from a boutique where you can pick the parts, generally will go for the cheapest parts possible.

That's the thing I don't like about Pre-builts.

They never choose the most durable parts, in fact, they choose the cheapest parts possible to maximize profits.

I prefer choosing the most reliable and performant setup.


You do understand they have to be durable enough to last right? It's not like companies are going to release products that are not up to a specific standard because they'd be out of business otherwise.

I am running a prebuilt PC, but I've changed several parts to fit what I wanted to do at the time. I also know what I'm talking about (very much unlike the majority of the people in this topic).

Here take this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ideacentre-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/8998157.p?id=1218968344463&skuId=8998157&st=categoryid$pcmcat212600050008&cp=1&lp=7

And buy a select graphics card to replace that POS. I wanted to find a graphics-card less version but this was the best I could at the time.

You get.

i5 4430 ($189 on Newegg)
8 GB RAM (~$80)
1TB HDD (~$65)
Built in Wireless NIC (ymmv I guess)
(GT 630, doesn't really matter) (~$65)
And a not-crap form factor

Oh and Windows 8, ($100-$200) with a key that's most likely reusable because of OEM keys and such.

That brings you around 500-600 alone and I didn't even factor in Motherboard, PSU, Case, or the DVD Drive.

You may need to end up getting a new PSU in a worse case scenario depending upon the GPU you want.
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#65MasterDonGeroPosted 11/1/2013 4:00:03 AM
Nicodimus posted...
MasterDonGero posted...
You wouldn't perform surgery on yourself, would you?


No, but building a PC is much more like putting together Lego pieces that only fit one possible way than performing a surgical procedure on yourself, so that's a pretty weak analogy.


It's not that difficult, just watch a 20-minute video, once or twice, and you can perform surgery without a problem!
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#66ElementalWindPosted 11/1/2013 4:20:48 AM
I wonder if TC has ever actually knitted a sweater or cooked a decent meal or paved a driveway or done any of the work he mentions or if he's just assuming whatever video tutorial he watched means he knows all about how to do it and would only take a couple hours.

If the amount of money you save is more than you make in an hour or two, then I can't see why anyone would ignore such advice.
This analysis sort of assumes the person would otherwise do paid work for that hour or two. Otherwise, the opportunity cost is probably not the same as their hourly wage.
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#67JudgmenlPosted 11/1/2013 6:15:39 AM
shameless bump, I just want to prove that pre-builts are worth it in some cases (as long as you have common sense).
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#68BannanaBomb2002Posted 11/1/2013 6:45:43 AM
I don't have a problem with people that don't build their own pc's. If people want to waste extra money or get crap parts that's their decision. And its not that difficult either; anyone who thinks so is delusional.

All you have to do is follow the instructions given with the case and parts. I literally assembled my first built computer the day I had my wisdom teeth removed when I was drugged up. The hardest part of the job was cable management because I care about my innards not looking like crap.

People that put in the effort will be rewarded and those that are lazy, stupid, or lack confidence will never reap greater benefits in life.
#69Rexdragon125Posted 11/1/2013 7:15:29 AM
Some people don't realize that the warranty is included in the price of a prebuilt. Built your own? Have fun if something goes wrong. If you get mysterious BSODs you get to meticulously RMA and replace every single part to track it down. Or if you have a prebuilt still under warranty, just send it back in and someone will handle that for you.
#70PraetorXynPosted 11/1/2013 9:58:40 AM
With a pre-built, you get the following:
Very cheap CPU
Cheap motherboard with minimal SATA ports, expansion slots, etc.
VERY CHEAP Power Supply Unit (PSU)
No discrete graphics, or very crappy discrete graphics if there is any
Very tiny case that's a pain to work in. The case will almost certainly be too small for a good air cooler like the ones from Phanteks and to a lesser extend Noctua, but that doesn't matter as much with closed-loop coolers being the norm nowadays.
Cheap RAM, though this probably isn't as big a deal as the other stuff.
Singular warranty on the entire thing. If something fails, you have to pay to send the whole thing back, which will be expensive because of size and weight.

For the price of a prebuilt + a graphics card + a bigger PSU you can get much nicer components.
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