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Switching from nvidia to amd

#11DerPancakePosted 11/2/2013 6:24:32 PM(edited)
Shebeskii posted...


Check edit.

It's an OC version that still OCs even more, and at its stock clocks it beats out a 770 by a touch at 1080, the 770s strong point, and by quite a bit more at 2560.

It also beats out, at "stock OC" the 770 in BF3, a Nvidia favoured title.

It's roughly the same power at 1080 and stronger when you add AA/go up in res.

The game deal is what makes the 770 look awesome, but cost for cost the r9 280x is better hardware.


It only beats the reference 770 though...a EVGA superclocked 770 with ACX beats the Gigabyte 280x.
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#12ShebeskiiPosted 11/2/2013 6:28:36 PM
DerPancake posted...
Shebeskii posted...


Check edit.

It's an OC version that still OCs even more, and at its stock clocks it beats out a 770 by a touch at 1080, the 770s strong point, and by quite a bit more at 2560.

It also beats out, at "stock OC" the 770 in BF3, a Nvidia favoured title.

It's roughly the same power at 1080 and stronger when you add AA/go up in res.

The game deal is what makes the 770 look awesome, but cost for cost the r9 280x is better hardware.


It only beats the reference 770 though...a EVGA superclocked 770 with ACX beats the Gigabyte 280x.


Okay let's do this. GTX 770 vs. 280x showdown.

Gigabyte vs. Gigabyte.

BF3:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/R9_280X_OC/7.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_770_WindForce_OC/9.html

Now that you have the links, check out other games.

They're remarkably similar. The only real trade offs is Hitman for AMD and Splinter Cell for Nvidia. Kind of funny how they're both stealth games of sorts.
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#13ShebeskiiPosted 11/2/2013 6:34:10 PM(edited)
DerPancake posted...
Shebeskii posted...


Check edit.

It's an OC version that still OCs even more, and at its stock clocks it beats out a 770 by a touch at 1080, the 770s strong point, and by quite a bit more at 2560.

It also beats out, at "stock OC" the 770 in BF3, a Nvidia favoured title.

It's roughly the same power at 1080 and stronger when you add AA/go up in res.

The game deal is what makes the 770 look awesome, but cost for cost the r9 280x is better hardware.


It only beats the reference 770 though...a EVGA superclocked 770 with ACX beats the Gigabyte 280x.


Which is 50 dollars more...

Right now, today, given the game bundle, the 770 is a better deal, but in a year it may age less gracefully.

It's weird seeing a stock R9 280x beat a 7970GHz. Did drivers improve or are there some tweaks under the hood? The 7970GHz has a clock advantage, a real one.
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#14DerPancakePosted 11/2/2013 6:36:00 PM
Shebeskii posted...

BF3:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/R9_280X_OC/7.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_770_WindForce_OC/9.html

Now that you have the links, check out other games.


I can't compare those, they are showing different resolutions on both places, the only one the same is 5760x1080p, and thats for all games...
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#15DerPancakePosted 11/2/2013 6:39:28 PM
Shebeskii posted...


Which is 50 dollars more...

Right now, today, given the game bundle, the 770 is a better deal, but in a year it may age less gracefully.

It's weird seeing a stock R9 280x beat a 7970GHz. Did drivers improve or are there some tweaks under the hood? The 7970GHz has a clock advantage, a real one.


Yeah the NVIDIA games are worth more right now, heck Batman right now is worth more than the 3 gold reward AMD games (unless they add BF4), and lets be honest the only big advantage the 280x has is the 3GB vram, but how games are going to use more than 2gb at 1080p in the next few years?
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#16ShebeskiiPosted 11/2/2013 6:39:58 PM
DerPancake posted...
Shebeskii posted...

BF3:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/R9_280X_OC/7.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_770_WindForce_OC/9.html

Now that you have the links, check out other games.


I can't compare those, they are showing different resolutions on both places, the only one the same is 5760x1080p, and thats for all games...


Huh, you're right. Why would they still be using 16:10 on a 770 review? What is this silliness?
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#17ShebeskiiPosted 11/2/2013 6:53:37 PM(edited)
DerPancake posted...
Shebeskii posted...


Which is 50 dollars more...

Right now, today, given the game bundle, the 770 is a better deal, but in a year it may age less gracefully.

It's weird seeing a stock R9 280x beat a 7970GHz. Did drivers improve or are there some tweaks under the hood? The 7970GHz has a clock advantage, a real one.


Yeah the NVIDIA games are worth more right now, heck Batman right now is worth more than the 3 gold reward AMD games (unless they add BF4), and lets be honest the only big advantage the 280x has is the 3GB vram, but how games are going to use more than 2gb at 1080p in the next few years?


And compute. When you dial up the settings in GRID 2 with global illumination Nvidia gets rocked.

Though it looks like Nvidia bridged the gap. I saw some older benchmarks where the 680 and such were doing miserably.

Earlier:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_770/images/grid2_1920_1080.gif

Nowish:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Gigabyte/R9_280X_OC/images/grid2_1920_1080.gif

Same resolution this time lol. Good to see that performance bridged. It was worrisome.

Strangle, the 7970GHz got worse. Either the bench changed or the performance has... declined.

Dat miserable performance I was talking about:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/original/2013/04/Grid-2-Preview-Benchmarks-1080p-4xMSAA.png

It seems a lot of people bench this game with Global Illumination off. When you set the settings to Ultra, the super demanding settings are still not turned on, and you have to scroll and look for them. I feel like reviewers are missing them.
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#18ShebeskiiPosted 11/2/2013 7:01:01 PM(edited)
Advanced Lighting disabled With enhanced lighting (Forward +) Forward + including Global Illumination
Radeon HD 7970 Avg-65.1 fps / 60 fps min- Avg-58.2 fps / 53 fps min- Avg-45.5 fps / 40 fps min-
Geforce GTX 680 Avg-64.4 fps / 60 fps min- Avg-44.7 fps / 40 fps min- Avg-34.1 fps / 27 fps min-

This is the effect I speak of when it comes to compute and the 770. This is for Dirt Showdown, btw, a game that uses the same engine and effects as Grid 2.

The 680 is miserable. Does anyone have more recent benches that specific GI and advanced lighting? Again, this stuff doesn't turn on when you put it on Ultra, and cards don't get 90+ FPS with this stuff on, it's that demanding. It's truly next gen effects.
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#19DerPancakePosted 11/2/2013 7:19:46 PM(edited)
Are the GRID 2 benchmarks with or without global illumination? I hate when they don't run benchmarks at max settings.
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#20ShebeskiiPosted 11/2/2013 7:30:08 PM
DerPancake posted...
Are the GRID 2 benchmarks with or without global illumination? I hate when they don't run benchmarks at max settings.


I think many of the higher FPS result benchmarks are actually running "Ultra" without advanced lighting or GI. Many reviewers aren't particularly methodical. Some are, of course, but without many others doing this same thing it's hard to know the truth.

I will tell you when I first played GRID 2, I had no idea I wasn't maxing the game. I was in the settings menu 2-3 times before I realized I hadn't went to the separated section for the two advanced effects. I thought my performance was too good. The default presets don't touch them.

Turning them on turned the game into a total slide show for me.
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