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#31Flaktrooper123Posted 11/18/2013 10:18:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

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#32jnv11Posted 11/18/2013 10:42:09 PM
Wait until the cards with non-reference coolers come out. The reference cooler and thermal grease are full of epic fail. Tom's Hardware replaced the thermal compound in one card and got a cooler and faster card. It also got a cooler and faster card by replacing the cooler with an aftermarket cooler. AMD's graphics card and GPU quality has gone downhill ever since Rory Read, AMD's CEO that replaced Dirk Meyer, threw Carrell Killebrew, the man who brought Eyefinity to the masses as the leader of the AMD Graphics Products Group, out of AMD.

I was an AMD graphics fan until I found out that AMD built its own version of a GTX 480 (fastest in the world but it is very inefficient and therefore generates way too much heat and noise compared to the competition for the same amount of performance). It also significantly crippled double precision performance with firmware to 1/8 of single precision performance when the hardware could run double precision at 1/2 of single performance, and that was the final nail for me because I am a GPGPU fan. I would be going for a GTX Titan if I was not just laid off last week.

I was a diehard AMD graphics fan because Nvidia destroyed my laptop's motherboard with a bad G86 GPU thanks to the Bumpgate scandal. The Bumpgate scandal was a combination of badly designed GPUs that had basic mistakes that lowered their reliability and Nvidia defrauding laptop OEMs by stating that its GPUs put out less heat than what they really put out, causing the OEMs to use not enough cooling to keep the GPU from breaking from overheating. Laptop makers are sensitive to how much cooling is needed because more cooling equals more weight and more cost. At the time of the failure, I had no recent backup and the warranty on the laptop was expired, so I had to buy some replacement parts for my laptop including a replacement motherboard which had a later stepping of GPU that was built better than the stepping that failed in order to get access to my data. The parts cost thousands of dollars. Back up your data daily especially if you use a laptop!

I am very worried that the R9 290 and the R9 290X will have mass failures due to their inadequate cooling.
#33SnadadosPosted 11/19/2013 12:32:28 AM
Flaktrooper123 posted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

Have to be heard to be believed


Holy balls that is loud as all hell.
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#34DerPancakePosted 11/19/2013 12:37:32 AM
Flaktrooper123 posted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

Have to be heard to be believed


Wow, I opened that as a tab, while listening to Back to December and I was just getting into the song and and out of nowhere all I hear is BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
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#35ein311Posted 11/19/2013 2:10:25 AM
DerPancake posted...
while listening to Back to December


Love Story > that
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#36DerPancakePosted 11/19/2013 2:13:05 AM
ein311 posted...
DerPancake posted...
while listening to Back to December


Love Story > that


True, but I'm not going to be listening to Love Story 24/7.
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#37xcmon3yx2Posted 11/19/2013 7:05:37 AM(edited)
daemon_dan posted...
xcmon3yx2 posted...
i would hold back for now, just take a look at the amd forums.


A lot of people don't give a crap about playing WoW. Don't shove your idiotic butthurt down other people's throats


if you visit the amd forums you would knoiw allot of people are experiencing black screens and bsods, on cards that use "elpida" brand gddr5. Inconsistency is not the only problem right now with card, hell it doesn't even have a official driver yet, just beta. Just trying to spare someone from throwing $400 down the drain,............. do yourself a favor and buy nvidia
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#38daemon_danPosted 11/19/2013 7:10:10 AM
xcmon3yx2 posted...
daemon_dan posted...
xcmon3yx2 posted...
i would hold back for now, just take a look at the amd forums.


A lot of people don't give a crap about playing WoW. Don't shove your idiotic butthurt down other people's throats


if you visit the amd forums you would knoiw allot of people are experiencing black screens and bsods, on cards that use "elpida" brand gddr5. Inconsistency is not the only problem right now with card, hell it doesn't even have a official driver yet, just beta. Just trying to spare someone from throwing $400 down the drain,............. do yourself a favor and buy nvidia


I have a GTX 680. Which, BTW, the first fell over and died after 3 months of use. Faulty card. Thank goodness all reputable brands have 3 year warranties. INCLUDING AMD DISTRIBUTORS
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#39jnv11Posted 11/19/2013 9:00:28 AM
Another thing that makes me concerned in the R9 290(X) is the voltage regulation module. It is a 5+1+1 design. That means that the GPU gets five phases of power. There are two other areas getting one phase of power each. My guess is that these areas are two different RAM pools because 16 chips of RAM must be too much for one unified voltage output to keep under control, so splitting it up into two voltage outputs might allow the VRM to keep things stable for two pools of 8 RAM chips per pool. In contrast, Nvidia uses a 6+2 VRM scheme in its GTX 780, GTX 780 Ti, and the GTX Titan.

In general, more true phases mean more control, more efficiency, faster transient response, more space used, more cost, and cooler phases if everything else is equal. If the capacitors, MOSFETs, and inductors are cut down enough, more true phases might not mean anything meaningful. There are fake phases created with phase doublers on some motherboards and apparently on a few custom video cards, but fortunately do not show up on reference video cards because they only provide marketing benefits and maybe efficiency at the expense of less control, slower response speed, and more space being used.

I am very concerned because of reports of hot VRMs on R9 290(X) cards. Either each phase is being asked to handle too many amps which causes them to heat up or the cooler is too weak to cool the VRM down.
#40jnv11Posted 11/19/2013 7:47:59 PM
I forgot to explain in my last post why I quit buying Nvidia until AMD launched the R9 290X. I felt the Bumpgate-affected products should have failed a quality check, and once it was discovered by Charlie Demerjian, should have been recalled before it ruined more people's laptops. A bad GPU in a desktop is no big deal because one can go to a computer shop and buy another video card. A bad GPU in a laptop ruins an expensive motherboard if it is soldered to the motherboard.