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Upgrading to the Intel scene. Opinions on these different chips?

#1GuilmonDXPosted 11/29/2013 6:11:07 PM(edited)
Note: I will NOT be doing any overclocking whatsoever. And I will be using the open case/fanning for cooling.

Intel Core i7-3770K - $289.99 USD

Intel Core i7-4770K - $287.99 USD

It looks like the 4770k is an upgrade from the 3770k, but I just wanted to know if there's something else I'm missing since they're both rather the same price.

I am aware that the motherboard plays a huge role in the performance of your CPU. I have yet to research the different motherboards. I am looking at the Z77 Extreme4.

Let me know what you guys think about these CPUs, and about intel cores IN GENERAL. Or if there's something else you would recommend.
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#2TheC0ndemnedOnePosted 11/29/2013 6:11:54 PM(edited)
You should get the i7-4771 if you're not overclocking.

Z77 is an overclocker's motherboard for the Ivy Bridge (3570K and 3770K) generation.
Z87 is the same as above, but for Haswell.
H87 is like the Z87 but lacks some features for overclocking. Get this.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z87-H87-H81-Q87-Q85-B85-What-is-the-difference-473/
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#3GuilmonDX(Topic Creator)Posted 11/29/2013 6:34:42 PM(edited)
TheC0ndemnedOne posted...
You should get the i7-4771 if you're not overclocking.

Z77 is an overclocker's motherboard for the Ivy Bridge (3570K and 3770K) generation.
Z87 is the same as above, but for Haswell.
H87 is like the Z87 but lacks some features for overclocking. Get this.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z87-H87-H81-Q87-Q85-B85-What-is-the-difference-473/


I had no idea the extended -Ks are meant for overclocking. I will definitely consider the 4771.

However, I was reading the great article you provided and in it, I found this passage.

"Unfortunately, many motherboard manufactures attempt to push users to Z87 motherboards by limiting the number of ports and headers on their H87 motherboards. Because of this, Z87 motherboards are sometimes a better choice than H87 even when you do not need overclocking or triple SLI/Crossfire."

You recommended me getting the H87 board because I won't be overclocking, however, this passage seems to state the Z87 is a better overall board. Your opinion?

EDIT: Also, it seems the 4770k is CHEAPER than the 4771. They both are pretty much the same, but how come the chip that has the ability to be overclocked is cheaper than the one that can't be?
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#4TheC0ndemnedOnePosted 11/29/2013 6:40:46 PM
GuilmonDX posted...
TheC0ndemnedOne posted...
You should get the i7-4771 if you're not overclocking.

Z77 is an overclocker's motherboard for the Ivy Bridge (3570K and 3770K) generation.
Z87 is the same as above, but for Haswell.
H87 is like the Z87 but lacks some features for overclocking. Get this.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z87-H87-H81-Q87-Q85-B85-What-is-the-difference-473/


I had no idea the extended -Ks are meant for overclocking. I will definitely consider the 4771.

However, I was reading the great article you provided and in it, I found this passage.

"Unfortunately, many motherboard manufactures attempt to push users to Z87 motherboards by limiting the number of ports and headers on their H87 motherboards. Because of this, Z87 motherboards are sometimes a better choice than H87 even when you do not need overclocking or triple SLI/Crossfire."

You recommended me getting the H87 board because I won't be overclocking, however, this passage seems to state the Z87 is a better overall board. Your opinion?

EDIT: Also, it seems the 4770k is CHEAPER than the 4771. They both are pretty much the same, but how come the chip that has the ability to be overclocked is cheaper than the one that can't be?


If the 4770K is cheaper than the 4771, just get it even if you don't plan on overclocking. It might be cheaper because of supply.

Same with the Z87 boards. If you can't find a H87 with a sufficient amount of features for your needs at a reasonable price, then get the Z87.

The 4770K and Z87 boards also have more resale value, so they might be better in the long run. And if you ever get even slightly curious about overclocking, then that option is available.

Basically, get whatever's cheapest and suits your needs. If the 4771 costs more, don't get it. If the H87 doesn't have the right features, don't get it.
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#5GuilmonDX(Topic Creator)Posted 11/29/2013 6:59:47 PM
I very much appreciate your time and responses, Condemned. I'm going to go with the 4770k. It's pretty much the same thing, and it's at a cheaper price and it gives me that idea of overclocking whenever.

Now with the motherboards, I notice there seems to be so many options in regards to having a Z87. I see some people run Z87M Pro4s, and some run the Sabretooth Z87.

Is there any direction you wish to point me in when deciding which Z87 board I'm looking for? I'm doing research as we speak, but I'm afraid i'm ignorant as to what the general consensus on these boards are.

The Sabretooth seems to be a higher end durable board.
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#6TheC0ndemnedOnePosted 11/29/2013 7:47:20 PM(edited)
GuilmonDX posted...
I very much appreciate your time and responses, Condemned. I'm going to go with the 4770k. It's pretty much the same thing, and it's at a cheaper price and it gives me that idea of overclocking whenever.

Now with the motherboards, I notice there seems to be so many options in regards to having a Z87. I see some people run Z87M Pro4s, and some run the Sabretooth Z87.

Is there any direction you wish to point me in when deciding which Z87 board I'm looking for? I'm doing research as we speak, but I'm afraid i'm ignorant as to what the general consensus on these boards are.

The Sabretooth seems to be a higher end durable board.


Here's a list of Z87 motherboards, sorted by price:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#c=89&sort=a8

You can click on them and see what all features they have.

One important thing is the size. Size ranges from Mini-ITX to EATX/XL ATX. Get one that corresponds with whatever case you plan on using. Most of the time, it'll be ATX.

Once you figure out features and size, determine which one you want based on reviews and price. Additionally, if you're a bit of a PC fashionista, you should look for something that matches the rest of your build in color.
Something like the Extreme4 is very average and a lot of people go with it. The Sabertooth is more expensive but it's pretty high-end and comes with some cool features. I personally like the MSI G45 and the Gigabyte UD3H. They have nice features and the price is reasonable.

However, if you don't need much and don't plan on overclocking or will only overclock slightly, something like the MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate or the ASRock Pro series should be just fine. I'd personally go with the Asus Z87-A for a <$100 board.
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#7GuilmonDX(Topic Creator)Posted 11/29/2013 8:00:43 PM
Thanks again, Condemned. I will use this list to decide ultimately which board I will go with for my Intel build. That website really helps.
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