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can you actually discern 320 kbps mp3 and lossless?
At low volumes theres not much of a difference at any, it's when you start pushing up to reference volume where the distortion in the lower bitrate music really comes out and FLAC/lossless pushes cleanly through. For music 320 is good enough, for movies it must be lossless, regular DD even sounds like poop on reference
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Yes I can... but I've been mastering music since I was 15 (so over 10 years); so I'm kinda trained in it.
I would almost agree until I found that ripping my classical CDs and various mixes brought light to the issue of gapless playback. And no, the gapless feature (read as "hack") on iPods etc is not viable. I can still hear the switch.
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ryan0991 posted...They're the same...
That 320kbps was encoded by the band themselves. The album is produced brilliantly, so I'll trust the files directly from them.
There just really is a difference if the production and style of music tease it out.
Most music isn't produced well enough or is mixed in such a raw fashion. The drumming in that song is extremely crisp. Most bands just don't do that, so the CD quality sound goes to waste.
It's still very small, but it's not imperceptible, even on average equipment.
The best way to describe the differences in the way it sounds for the files I posted, especially between 1:40 and 1:50 for the track, is that you're actually listening in on the studio performance, while the 320kbps audio loses a bit of that crispness a musician's instrument has right in front of you.
The snare hits sound like you're sitting in on the recording session, while the 320kbps sounds like a very accurate recording of that recording session.
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If you want to hear the difference bring it into a club and play it loud on the PA.
lower levels you're not going to notice but that stuff will break up if you have a good system and can play it flipping loud.
I'd always stick to vinyl in the club, so much better when loud.
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i can, especially in my main listening room where the differences in holographic imaging really show up.
But I contend it's not a big enough difference to really fret over if disc space is at a premium. Of course, a 1TB HDD can store more FLACs than I could ever rip.
as far as vinyl goes, it's the best analog format, but inherently inferior to even CD never mind SACD / Blu Ray Lossless.
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chase1234life posted...Alright, I have a blind test for you guys to take if you wish, and done so there's no cheating now...
One last chance guys.
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Personally no, but my time working in studios and teaching myself to hear specific intervals has shown that my experience is far from definitive in the subject.
Even a stopped clock, tells the right time, twice a day.
So here are the guesses/attempts I got:
They all sound identical to me.
But if I had to guess I'd say #1 is 128kbps
And either of 2 and 3 can be 320 or lossless.
From those examples I can't tell if 1 or 2 is the source but it sounds like 3 is the 128k mp3... just sounds messier.
Although I wasn't using my best pair of headphones, I couldn't tell the difference. So I got curious and checked the bitrate on all of them...
I don't think I would have been able to tell the difference anyway since I'm not familiar with that particular track.
I'm glad some people were willing to at least try, and for that they deserve praise just for attempting to back up their claims (while others, did not... especially when looking at the poll).
Before I give the correct answer, I'm going to do a little visual aid to show the differences. The tracks are lined up from top to bottom in the manner I listed them in earlier...
Here they are lined up, full song:
Zoomed in at 27 seconds in (the top is a little out of line, but I reset it to fix it in later pics):
31 Seconds in when Drums kick in:
Zoomed in at 31 Seconds (Audio engineers should start seeing some "irregularities" now):
1:23 where there is a rest in a number of instruments as well as a general "Calando" (Look it up, not made up):
Zooming in at 1:23 Calando (3 is a little off track, again, fixed later) now circling area's where information is lost due to compression:
4:16 after the final Crescendo, the falling off before the fade out:
Zoomed in at 4:16, Now circling noticeable and subtle differences in information:
4:35, the final fade out of the track, extremely low volume:
Zoomed in at 4:35, this is where compression hurts the most. At low level intervals, which in total hurts the Dynamic Range something horrible. This is where Compression flat out get's things wrong, and though hard to see in a real time spectrometer, it's painfully obvious in the Waveform:
So, if you haven't already figured it out, and can't tell from the photos, here's the answer:
Track (1) is 320 MP3
Track (2) is Lossless
Track (3) is 128
So, DV8ingSources, good job at picking out the 128 MP3, but pretty much the rest was kinda a failure.
It's not as easy as it seems.
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I've always found that self proclaimed audiophiles really know just about nothing. They use random adjectives to describe sound like juicy or round and insult anything that isn't on some special list of golden audio standards.
audiophiles are full of s*** and manufacturers making audiophile equipment are also full of s***
they do hear a difference, only because they have lied to themselves and actually believe there is a difference when there isn't one
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Some people just don't have ears, really. I used to have trouble telling the difference between 128kbps MP3 and 64kbps MP3, ages ago.
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