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Can I build a $400 pc that will out - muscle a PS4?

#81SlaynPosted 1/9/2014 1:21:37 PM
ATARIJAWA posted...
Slayn posted...
I am going to say the same thing that I used to put in my sig:

You can buy a $400 console and a $400 POS computer, or you can spend $800 and have the best of both worlds.

A $400-600 computer will not match a PS4, unless you plan on reusing a LOT of old parts. The cpu, memory, video card, and motherboard alone will reach very near $600. Those are the bare minimum parts you would need to purchase, assuming you have a PSU, OS, case, and hard drive. I VERY much doubt anyone with an old computer has an adequate PSU, but I can at least give that.

People who recommend something like a 7850 because it is similar to a PS4's gpu have no idea what they are talking about. A 7850 in a Windows machine isn't comparable to a PS4's GPU. It just isn't.


The PS4's gpu is a laptop 7970m that has been downclocked and had a third of it's cores disabled. Why do you make it out to be some wonderchip? It's on par with a 7850. That's a known fact. God only knows what you think about the Ps4's tablet cpu.


What you don't seem to understand is that a 7850 in a computer and a 7850 in a PS4 will not run the same. A console is going to be FAR more efficient. If you took the equivalent hardware of a ps4 and put it in a PC, it will not run the same. A PC has to run Windows, and a PC is not going to be as efficient due to a PS4 game being programmed exclusively for a PS4. Kind of like how the SteamOS is supposed to be far more efficient with hardware for gaming than Windows.

Just because I am arguing this fact doesn't make me a console fanboy. I have a PS3 and I used it for 3 games, RDR, Demons Souls, and MGS4. I am about 99% sure I will not be buying a PS4. I have a $2000 high end PC with a 1440p monitor that smashes the PS4. I have been an amateur PC builder for 15 years. I just have seen it all, and you will not run games as smoothly as a PS4 with $400-600.
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#82r0ge00Posted 1/9/2014 1:24:30 PM
overkillwfo1978 posted...
So, console players get cheaper hardware that performs sub-par for less money and spend WAY more on games, while PC users build a system that costs more, directly to the exact specs they wish (which are also upgradable) and spend WAY less on games, saving money in the long run.


Define "WAY more" and "WAY less". The average price difference between PC and consoles when games are on sale is about $10 ($5 on the old stuff, $15 on the newer). They're very similar in price when they're not on sale. Couple that with the fact that you can recoup most of your funds through resale and you're gaming just as cheap, if not cheaper.

PlaystationNetwork usually has pretty good deals on digital downloads and Amazon just started a store section that sells digital Playstation codes. Hopefully, comparing game prices will soon be a wash.
#83AsucaHayashiPosted 1/9/2014 1:41:22 PM
r0ge00 posted...
overkillwfo1978 posted...
So, console players get cheaper hardware that performs sub-par for less money and spend WAY more on games, while PC users build a system that costs more, directly to the exact specs they wish (which are also upgradable) and spend WAY less on games, saving money in the long run.


Define "WAY more" and "WAY less". The average price difference between PC and consoles when games are on sale is about $10 ($5 on the old stuff, $15 on the newer). They're very similar in price when they're not on sale. Couple that with the fact that you can recoup most of your funds through resale and you're gaming just as cheap, if not cheaper.

PlaystationNetwork usually has pretty good deals on digital downloads and Amazon just started a store section that sells digital Playstation codes. Hopefully, comparing game prices will soon be a wash.


just don't.

i remember a recent topic where a couple of console fanboys(or maybe it was just one) got completely destroyed by trying to argue they somehow got comparable deals on console by arguing absolute crap with tons of anecdotes that wouldn't do s*** for other people other than themselves.

eg. having to get rid of your games in order to match the savings for PC games is NOT a benefit(oh look, i'm saving so much money but i'll just browse YT since i have no games left to play) and managing to find garage sales in local parts of town wouldn't benefit any other console gamer in the slightest compared to any PC gamer in the world who can visit a site like www.humblebundle.com right now and score a bunch of quality titles for a fiver.

as for digital sales they're a joke in comparison to PC sales since they're nowhere near the same breadth in variety and pricing(especially with game bundles)... also, to get access to the truly good deals on PSN you have to be a member of ps+.
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#84PhilOnDezPosted 1/9/2014 3:22:11 PM
tiger8191 posted...
Yeah I have one if those builds thrown around before ps4 release that's supposed to be more powerful. The 6300/7850 build. Yeah. It's not. I have AC4 and BF4 for both PC and PS4 and it's not close. AC4 is medium with screen tearing galore and B4 is a stuttering mess on my PC. Both play fine on ps4.

On paper, sure. But most people who claim it's better don't actually have one of these budget builds to know first hand what they are talking about.

Here is my exact build that I spent $550 on last winter.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ykOF


I won't say your experience is less than ideal but I see two problems with your argument, one for each game.

If you're getting screen tearing it means you need to turn on vsync. No two ways about it, and an FPS cap is nowhere near a substitute. Just because you're running a game at 60fps on a 60hz monitor doesn't mean the refresh rate and the frames produced are in sync. That's why vsync is called vsync and not frame target or frame limit. The game also only runs at 30fps on the PS4 so you might get a smoother experience with vsync and a frame limit of 30.

As for BF4, it is known to have issues with windows 7 which you listed in your pcpartpicker link. Unless you've updated to 8 I would place the blame on your OS and not a lack of hardware, though someone did say the game doesn't like 6 threaded processors so that may play a part as well though I can't confirm. You could also get a performance boost by dropping down to 1600x900 which is what the PS4 runs the game at.
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#85vecrynPosted 1/10/2014 3:46:55 AM
sky8246 posted...
I don't know why I write here, but whatever. Even if this is silly.

First of all the ps4 comes with a controller. So you have to pay for that first. Which is about 50$ down the drain already. And with that I'm nice. A ps4 controller is rather expensive..

Next a ps4 comes with an OS, which allows you to do basic actions, play games and the like. While you can go for a free OS with a pc, that heavily limits you with games, so Windows is kind of a must. Another 100$ down the drain. Once again, I'm nice with the price tag.
Of course, Windows allows you to do more than a ps4 OS, but that's simply PC vs console. A console is primarily for gaming, a PC isn't and needs an OS which can do more. And you want a PC after all.

Next is the PC problem. Windows will be a less efficient OS for gaming than the ps4 OS is. For obvious reasons. One is based around gaming, the other isn't. Likewise optimization of games is far worse on PC. So you now have 250$ left to build a pc with at least 50% more hardware power than a ps4. If you can do this, you might've matched a ps4's "muscle" to play games. In theory at least.


guess you missed the part where he said controllers, os, monitor, keyboard/mouse etc is a separate budget
#86YoungAdultLinkPosted 1/10/2014 3:56:24 AM
Should be able to manage something at that price. Maybe want to save up another $100 or so and work toward the cheaper i5s and a 270. My system was built about 18 months ago for $510 and reused a hard drive. Has an i3, 4 ggs of ram and a 7870. Ram's gotten more expensive, but the 270 costs as much as $40 less than I paid for my 7870 at the time and is the exact same card. The i5 would be hard to get into that budget, but you could likely swing for one of AMD's newer 6 cores, instead. Not quite as strong as my i3 in some circumstances, but they're starting to outmuscle intel in multiplayer games, at the low end.

And, if nothing else, you can always skimp a bit on your HDD and just get a bigger one later. I reused an old 500GB and just recently got the 1tb drive out of my parents' desktop when they replaced it. Should be able to get a 320 or 500 on the cheap, they go on sale constantly on newegg.
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#87SorrowsFlamePosted 1/10/2014 8:58:15 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
SorrowsFlame posted...
Yeah...sorry, I game on both and actually PC more nowadays, but you just failed pretty hard here.

He was asking about a full rig with the same power. You have to include ALL factors, and not cherrypick, as PC gamers around here seem to like to do. Fact is, with an OS (Windows) and some type of control (gamepad, keyboard/mouse, etc), which are mandatory, you will not be able to match a PS4 for the same price. The monitor/tv doesn't really matter as you can play either on pretty much anything.

Linux also can't play 80% of commercial games even with something like WINE, nice try. You can generally buy things like Steam games a hell of a lot cheaper though, so there is an advantage there in the long run.

If you're going to try to act high and mighty, at least get your facts straight. This was a straight up embarrassment to the PC gaming community. Everyone knows PC gaming is much more expensive for the initial investment rig with all factors considered...it's mainly the game sales and reusable parts that cover the end cost.

None of that matters though, as the OP wanted just base rig hardware and seems to have a separate budget for peripherals and an OS and such. In that case you likely can find something comparable or better for the same price with sales.


hitman911us posted...
dennis941012 posted...
1) do you need O.S.?
2) do you need monitor?
3) do you need peripherals (speakers, keyboard, mouse)

If you answered YES to any of the above answer is no


Nope, there's a separate budget for that, this is strictly for the rig itself.


If you're going to try to act high and mighty, at least get your facts straight.


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#88Infinity8378Posted 1/11/2014 1:14:36 AM(edited)
AMD FX-6300 109.99
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox
Radeon R9 270 $179.99
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr927oc2gd
Case 9.50$
or other cheap case
http://www.amazon.com/Atech-Flash-STK6551G-9-Bay-Computer/dp/B001JHPM5G/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389426093&sr=1-1&keywords=computer+case
Sata 3 Harddrive 30$
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd800aajs
PSU(15$)
http://www.amazon.com/ECS-Elitegroup-Computer-A960M-MV-Motherboard/dp/B00HGO0JAY/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389425513&sr=1-11&keywords=am3%2B+motherboardAM3+ Motherboard
Motherboard $40
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-a960d
Windows Vista 64bit $16
google.com/shopping
3*2gb ddr3 $32
http://www.amazon.com/HP-PC3-10600R-REGISTERED-DDR3-1333-501533-001/dp/B002MRD6L4/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389426415&sr=1-6&keywords=2gb+ddr3
$418(with Linux)-432$(with OS)
#89Infinity8378Posted 1/11/2014 1:35:00 AM(edited)
I personally prefer intel cpus so
this cpu
http://starmicroinc.net/-p-1859.html?gclid=CNe4kIHW9bsCFU_NOgodWiEAWQ
this gpu
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr779oc1gd
this motherboard
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gah61ms1

Would be my choice even though the gpu is weaker the cpu is much better and probably helps with tearing due to weak ram/cpu.
#90dennis941012Posted 1/11/2014 1:35:01 AM
Infinity8378 posted...
AMD FX-6300 109.99
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox
Radeon R9 270 $179.99
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr927oc2gd
Case 9.50$
or other cheap case
http://www.amazon.com/Atech-Flash-STK6551G-9-Bay-Computer/dp/B001JHPM5G/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389426093&sr=1-1&keywords=computer+case
Sata 3 Harddrive 30$
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd800aajs
PSU(15$)
http://www.amazon.com/ECS-Elitegroup-Computer-A960M-MV-Motherboard/dp/B00HGO0JAY/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389425513&sr=1-11&keywords=am3%2B+motherboardAM3+ Motherboard
Motherboard $40
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-a960d
Windows Vista 64bit $16
google.com/shopping
3*2gb ddr3 $32
http://www.amazon.com/HP-PC3-10600R-REGISTERED-DDR3-1333-501533-001/dp/B002MRD6L4/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389426415&sr=1-6&keywords=2gb+ddr3
$418(with Linux)-432$(with OS)


You managed to build one @_@ although I am not sure how long it would take before crappy psu to blow up the build
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