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Anywhere to still get Warcraft 2 legitimately?
... And regardless of legality of used game sales, that is still simply a red herring to distract from the fact that piracy *is* illegal.
What is there to distract from? The black and white of it is that copyright infringement is illegal, and has been for quite some time. No one is arguing against its legality, but the "damages" that it supposedly causes are questionable whereas the "damages" that used games cause is a study-able phenomenon. Both used games, and piracy are also beneficial to the industry in many unique ways.
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ArgentumVir posted...Technically it still is (which is the key word here). Just because a legally binding document doesn't always hold up in court, doesn't make it legal. One day, that may change (God help us if it does).
Unfortunately, the ruling in the BnetD case set a precedent that the EULA CAN be upheld in court. It's admittedly been years since I read into the exact wording if it's a legally binding document or not, but if memory serves I believe it states almost exactly that.
DaedalusEx posted...KillerTruffle posted...No, that's an excuse pirates came up with to try and feel better about themselves. Just a load of crap.
No its pretty damn small when said item isnt being sold by the developer anymore.
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Man this topic got real stupid, real quick.
Personally, I am against piracy. I spend a lot of money on movies and games, because it is "honest" and I like to support the industry because I love video games. If i like a game, I want them to make more.
Having said that, one of the leading causes of piracy is unavailability. Sometimes software isn't being made anymore. You have to resort to ebay to find said item. WC2 is a perfect example. Pirating the game generally causes Blizzard no harm, because they aren't making the game anymore. Same discussion happens on the 3ds boards. People want Gameboy Advance games released digitally, but Nintendo is slacking.
In both cases though piracy does effect it, because if there is not enough of a demand ( many people pirated X software ) then they will not be motivated to re-release it. Also the companies can potentially make even better versions, such as allowing higher resolutions. Either way, although I do not advocate piracy, I really wouldn't feel too bad if someone pirated a game that the developer chooses to no longer produce.
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I don't advocate pirating either. My opinion though is the developer is absolutely not receiving any money from a used copy being sold. Even then if it's from a nearly 20 year old game, that is not in development, and is not receiving support from the creators and said company, then pirating doesn't truly make a difference. I don't advocate it though, it is illegal and theft. Fact is fact though pirating it and buying it used means nothing in the end for this specific scenario. It may as well be freeware like a good portion of older DoS games.
ArgentumVir posted...-CJF- posted...I'm sure used game sales have a similar effect to piracy on the developer. The difference is that one is legal and the other isn't. Corporations would just as soon take away your right to resale games if they could, and that may soon happen now that digital sales are becoming so prevalent.
EULA is a load of BS and I already called blizzard on it and won.
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Luckily I still have my Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness CD.
KillerTruffle posted...If piracy were simply not an option - didn't exist - some of those pirates would just not play the games, but I guarantee it would increase the number of people actually buying the games legitimately by a good bit.
He is just saying thing without any sort of back up, if you do research there are studies saying that pirate later buy the stuff they pirate (hell there was this post in paradox studios where basically half of them pirated the game first and now they are legal owners) which doesnt happen with second hand gaming you already gave your money away so why would you buy another one from the developers?
You forgot the best part than later used games owner act all angry when developers go out of business or act like they support the developers by giving money to someone that didnt had anything to do with the game.
Also i would recomend people to check which seccion in gamestop is making the mosr money
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