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Baldur's Gate 2 or NWN2?!?

#11The cranky hermitPosted 2/15/2014 12:00:56 AM(edited)
BG1 is not necessary before playing BG2

Define "necessary." Technically it is possible to play BG2 without having played BG1 first, but both games are better if you play them in order. This is not an EA sports installment where the latest release supersedes the previous one - the two games form a complete journey, and it would be foolish to skip half of it just because the other half is shinier.

And to expand on what Justice98405 said, you start the journey as a scared child, penniless, alone, and easy prey to the wolves that roam the woods at night, and finish as an incredibly powerful leader of god-slaying legends. You just don't get that sort of impact if you start halfway there.
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#12YombieePosted 2/15/2014 12:03:08 AM
You gotta start with bg 1 then import into 2, golden pantaloons aside, it really helps to flesh out the characters and their motivations.

With as big as cross-game consequences is these days I'm surprised there's any speculation what so ever as to how to play the game.
#13SneakiestNegPosted 2/15/2014 12:16:21 AM
Baldur's Gate 2. Even though it retconned the first game.
#14Justice98405Posted 2/15/2014 12:31:42 AM
"Baldur's Gate 2. Even though it retconned the first game."

Uhh, what? How is that?
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#15NingishzidaPosted 2/15/2014 12:59:35 AM
myztikrice posted...
BG1 is not necessary before playing BG2, and BG2 is the better game in every way.


Not really, it depends on taste.

Here are a few reasons why I prefer BG1 to BG2 (I love both).

1) Sandbox-style wilderness exploration. You travel from one end of the map to the other, and then onto the next map. This gives a more realistic feeling of journeying as opposed BG2 where you just click the map icon and you're dropped into the area like commandos out of choppers.

2) An overall focus on free exploration as opposed to strict narrative drive. Even in the more open areas, there is an obscene amount of dialogue interjections in BG2, especially when you walk around Athkatla. People just don't shut their hole, ever.

3) A solid villain in Sarevok, he is the reason you start adventuring and there's no better seminal reason than he killed a Gandalf figure who cared for you. His motivations are simple and understandable. Irenicus had emotional problems from being exiled, he was a mere detour, he simply got in your way for a while. His voice is awesome, though.

4) The plot is also solid and believeable. It starts off locally and quickly becomes corporate and political, then nations go on the brink of war, and finally things turn diabolical as Sarevok seeks to become the Lord of Murder. BG2 has a soul-stealing emo elf (how did he capture my party? Oh Biowhore just made it happen in a FMV) who seeks refuge in an asylum and then you're killing the Five Bhaalspawn as you march on to Melissan to take the Throne. Shrug. Its ok I guess, I just prefer BG1.

5) Gameplay-wise, BG1 hosts a very large pool of recruitable NPCs for varied party compositions. Your only concern is what mechanical contribution they make to the party, and their alignment. The BG2 NPCs moan and **** because they're all over-developed (fluff) and have petty motives of their own and this is where Biowahore moved from making cRPGs to making romance simulators culminating in Ass Effect 3.

6) Some people simply prefer low level campaigns with scant resources where every +1 to x counts and where RNG wreaks havoc. BG2 is epic, and so with all the power and resources it is very difficult to get TPKd, even early on.

7) Resting in BG2 is a click of the button, there is almost no risk. In BG1 resting is lethal due to waylays and the party needs to rest much more often.

8) As I said earlier, you can actually dual-class specialists. You can't do this in BG2 - they added questionable kits and took away a classical rule of AD&D.

9) On a first run thieves and stealth in BG1 are indispensable. You need to scout out areas beforehand, or you'll probably get owned. BG2 shows how it cheapened stealth by throwing lots of part-time recruitable NPC thieves at you and a full-time traitor, none of which were needed due to illusion and other schools of magic substituting the thief skills almost wholly. You don't need a thief in Watcher's Keep, try taking a party with no thief into Durlag's tower (yes, it can be done, I soloed the whole series as a fighter/mage, but I'm exceptional...)

10) The final battle of BG1 is immensely satisfying, and the devs should be praised for giving the player so many options for tackling it at such low level. BG2 boss battles are cakewalks, due to having six gods in your party.

So yeah, it is a matter of taste. I can argue both ways, unlike you.
#16Arsene-LupinPosted 2/15/2014 2:50:32 AM
Justice98405 posted...
"Baldur's Gate 2. Even though it retconned the first game."

Uhh, what? How is that?


It didn't retcon anything, it just set up a 'canon' party/class composition. IE the party is comprised of minsc, jaheira, Khalid and omoen. Imoen is dual classes, etc., etc.

It was a very minor and obviously necessary thing, but people co!plainer about it for reasons I never could fathom. That those complaints are still popping up !ore than a decade after the game was first releases is absolutely mind boggling.
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#17Psycho_PoodlePosted 2/15/2014 2:53:20 AM
Planescape beats both, IMO. All of them are outdated, but Planescape's fantastic writing keeps it worth playing today.
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#18Davel23Posted 2/15/2014 7:05:40 AM
The loot system in BG1 was better too. You could take every single little thing an enemy was carrying when you killed him. Yes, this means there was a lot of junk, but when you killed a powerful mage you were in for a treat.
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#19Fade2black001Posted 2/15/2014 8:20:14 AM
Davel23 posted...
The loot system in BG1 was better too. You could take every single little thing an enemy was carrying when you killed him. Yes, this means there was a lot of junk, but when you killed a powerful mage you were in for a treat.


yep. This can be used to get plate mail in the beginning of the game.... If you alsow ant to absue the import and export features the game has.
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#20Golden_GonadsPosted 2/15/2014 9:38:31 AM
Get both. Or assuming you can't... NWN2 is easier to get into, and potentially has more content. BG2 has aged poorly visually, but still has a great plot to this day.