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Is it possible to build a computer from scratch that will outperform PS4 @ $400?

#61LvthnPosted 3/2/2014 2:34:08 PM
Without OS, monitor, or peripherals, I think it's technically possible, barely. I've never tried to do it but I've never cared to follow sales of lower-end parts to see if it would be possible.

It's a red herring comparison, though. The question is more accurately "Can I upgrade my existing PC for $400, or can I add $400 to my usual PC budget to meet or exceed PS4 quality gaming", and the answer to that is almost always yes.

And I point out, a lot of people will overlook that PS4 doesn't always do 1080p 60fps. It has on some games, and I commend it for moving in that direction, but if we're allowed to go with 900p and/or 30fps (or tweaking between SP and MP), the PC parts required are really surprisingly low end. Nor should the benefit of exceeding that be understated - even games made explicitly for consoles and ported to PC look shockingly better at true 1080p 60fps (or higher, of course), especially if the port was X360 or PS3 with 720p/30fps.
#62godplaysSNESPosted 3/2/2014 3:09:33 PM
Lvthn posted...
Without OS, monitor, or peripherals, I think it's technically possible, barely. I've never tried to do it but I've never cared to follow sales of lower-end parts to see if it would be possible.


If one has to include the monitor cost for the PC, then by all means the cost for a HDTV should be included for the console
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#63Dark_SpiretPosted 3/2/2014 3:35:12 PM
its possible, but i woudlnt recommend it. chances are youd have to cheap out on parts that you would regret in the future.
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#64g7g7g7g7Posted 3/2/2014 4:01:33 PM
Infinity8378 posted...
It has decent reviews though so why is it a fire hazard.


It does not get decent reviews, I have already linked you to reviews saying that this unit pulls less than half its stated efficiency before exploding.

Please add a more stable and capable PSU to this rig before ever posting it again.
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#65TheEntitledOnePosted 3/2/2014 4:06:06 PM
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#66g7g7g7g7Posted 3/2/2014 4:07:42 PM
Infinity8378 posted...
CPU Tests (Score: 632) x2 multiplier cause you have 2
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 204,264,776
- Integer Operations/Second: 650531560
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 916780

408GFLOPS cpu
1.3TerraIOS
2million md5 hashes/sec with current ram setup

http://novabench.com/view/291509

CPU flops PS4 102.4 GFLOPS
http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-xbox-one-comparison-chart/




Stop it with the CPU thing, having 2 of them does not magically increase its power by 100%. Is the FX-8350 twice as powerful as an Phenom X2- 965, hell no, its barely 50% better. The only game your CPU will manage to do well with is Prime95, and it gets dull after the first 24 hours. It would be beaten by both an i3 processor or an FX 6300 in gaming. Actually get a secondhand Phenom 965 over that server CPU anyday.
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#67Fade2black001Posted 3/2/2014 4:41:01 PM
g7g7g7g7 posted...
Infinity8378 posted...
CPU Tests (Score: 632) x2 multiplier cause you have 2
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 204,264,776
- Integer Operations/Second: 650531560
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 916780

408GFLOPS cpu
1.3TerraIOS
2million md5 hashes/sec with current ram setup

http://novabench.com/view/291509

CPU flops PS4 102.4 GFLOPS
http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-xbox-one-comparison-chart/




Stop it with the CPU thing, having 2 of them does not magically increase its power by 100%. Is the FX-8350 twice as powerful as an Phenom X2- 965, hell no, its barely 50% better. The only game your CPU will manage to do well with is Prime95, and it gets dull after the first 24 hours. It would be beaten by both an i3 processor or an FX 6300 in gaming. Actually get a secondhand Phenom 965 over that server CPU anyday.


He wont ever listen to reason. He is just trolling. He will just keep listing this and giving people crappy PC advice.
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#68DarkZV2BetaPosted 3/2/2014 5:44:07 PM
g7g7g7g7 posted...
Infinity8378 posted...
CPU Tests (Score: 632) x2 multiplier cause you have 2
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 204,264,776
- Integer Operations/Second: 650531560
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 916780

408GFLOPS cpu
1.3TerraIOS
2million md5 hashes/sec with current ram setup

http://novabench.com/view/291509

CPU flops PS4 102.4 GFLOPS
http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-xbox-one-comparison-chart/




Stop it with the CPU thing, having 2 of them does not magically increase its power by 100%. Is the FX-8350 twice as powerful as an Phenom X2- 965, hell no, its barely 50% better. The only game your CPU will manage to do well with is Prime95, and it gets dull after the first 24 hours. It would be beaten by both an i3 processor or an FX 6300 in gaming. Actually get a secondhand Phenom 965 over that server CPU anyday.


Actually, 8350 is more than 100% faster than 965. It's, like, 150% faster, actually.
But, in terms of performance, you'd be lucky to see a 25% performance boost in the majority of games.
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#69g7g7g7g7Posted 3/2/2014 7:22:57 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
g7g7g7g7 posted...
Infinity8378 posted...
CPU Tests (Score: 632) x2 multiplier cause you have 2
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 204,264,776
- Integer Operations/Second: 650531560
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 916780

408GFLOPS cpu
1.3TerraIOS
2million md5 hashes/sec with current ram setup

http://novabench.com/view/291509

CPU flops PS4 102.4 GFLOPS
http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-xbox-one-comparison-chart/




Stop it with the CPU thing, having 2 of them does not magically increase its power by 100%. Is the FX-8350 twice as powerful as an Phenom X2- 965, hell no, its barely 50% better. The only game your CPU will manage to do well with is Prime95, and it gets dull after the first 24 hours. It would be beaten by both an i3 processor or an FX 6300 in gaming. Actually get a secondhand Phenom 965 over that server CPU anyday.


Actually, 8350 is more than 100% faster than 965. It's, like, 150% faster, actually.
But, in terms of performance, you'd be lucky to see a 25% performance boost in the majority of games.


Oh no, don't give him ammo man!

Okay in a synthetic benchmark the 8350 is better than the 965, in real life their is a 5% difference per core, in multi-threaded games you might get an extra 30% increase in framerate.
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#70DarkZV2BetaPosted 3/2/2014 7:37:50 PM
g7g7g7g7 posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
g7g7g7g7 posted...
Infinity8378 posted...
CPU Tests (Score: 632) x2 multiplier cause you have 2
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 204,264,776
- Integer Operations/Second: 650531560
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 916780

408GFLOPS cpu
1.3TerraIOS
2million md5 hashes/sec with current ram setup

http://novabench.com/view/291509

CPU flops PS4 102.4 GFLOPS
http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-xbox-one-comparison-chart/




Stop it with the CPU thing, having 2 of them does not magically increase its power by 100%. Is the FX-8350 twice as powerful as an Phenom X2- 965, hell no, its barely 50% better. The only game your CPU will manage to do well with is Prime95, and it gets dull after the first 24 hours. It would be beaten by both an i3 processor or an FX 6300 in gaming. Actually get a secondhand Phenom 965 over that server CPU anyday.


Actually, 8350 is more than 100% faster than 965. It's, like, 150% faster, actually.
But, in terms of performance, you'd be lucky to see a 25% performance boost in the majority of games.


Oh no, don't give him ammo man!

Okay in a synthetic benchmark the 8350 is better than the 965, in real life their is a 5% difference per core, in multi-threaded games you might get an extra 30% increase in framerate.


Closer to 20-25%, actually. About the same when running the same speed, but clocked a bit higher. Hence the "you'd be lucky to see a 25% boost in the majority of games".
In something heavily threaded and CPU bound, you could get a 80-100% boost to averages, but your lows will likely still be the same AMD garbage.
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