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#331Worknofun370Posted 3/25/2014 2:54:24 PM
MeCarana posted...
I don't really get what you mean, but the point is, piracy is a society and legal issue, and thus must be dealt with using logic, facts, with a pragmatic, logical approach. Personal feelings about it have no place here. If we want to argue about the legal definition of theft, or what it means to people based on their feelings, that's a whole another philosophical debate and would be a strawman to go there. Especially considering that if they feel so strongly about it, how about they go push a change in the wording of the law. Would be more efficient.


I have no idea why you're talking about peoples feelings.

Theft has a legal definition, and a non-legal definition. Legally there are a list of things that are considered "stealing" or "theft" if you do it. I do not disagree, and as I said no anti-pirate will disagree that piracy is not theft in a legal sense currently.

I'm talking about a semantical argument over the actual definition of the word theft (the word, not the current legal definition) and if the act of piracy fits that definition. This is done, typically, without emotion and with logic.
#332Worknofun370Posted 3/25/2014 2:56:40 PM
Also, that debate always ends up pretty much the same. Arguing over the semantics of the word "take" and if piracy fits that or not.

That's why I avoid it like the plague, same freaking thing time and time again.
#333chandl34Posted 3/25/2014 2:59:13 PM
MeCarana posted...

Do piracy harms? How?


This is the most important question. If it does cause harm (which I'm sure it does), in terms of a lost potential sales, then it can also indirectly hurt the pirates themselves (assuming they like what they're getting, and it affects the developers plans to produce similar products). Also, it very likely lowers the value of all software, with the "if this is too expensive, I'm taking it for free" mentality.
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#334drinkPosted 3/25/2014 2:59:13 PM
MeCarana posted...
drink posted...
How about this to end the topic.

Piracy is illegal. PERIOD!
Even if you think its ok, its not.


Illegal doesn't mean bad or harmful. Law is not absolute and can be wrong. Just because the law says it's not okay, it's doesn't mean it's not okay.

It's illegal to go over 100Kms an hour where I live. In Germany I could, no speed limits. Okay or not?
Now that's a perfect analogy.
What about countries where piracy is legal? Is it still not okay, or okay? Go read point #2 of my post if you're going to say it's still not okay. Then make a logical reasoning behind your argument based on morality.

Circular argument is circular.

SRSLY, I can debunk EVERY SINGLE ANTI PIRACY ARGUMENT.

Keep 'em coming. Let's get to 500 and beyond!


So your saying that Piracy is not bad and does not harm anyone?
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#335Tyranius2(Topic Creator)Posted 3/25/2014 3:01:34 PM
#1: Piracy is theft.


lol you said you would MURDER this argument and you didn't.

Look in the dictionary.

Theft is defined as "the act of stealing"

Stealing is defined as "1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission."

Piracy fits this word for word.

You can argue that

1. you make a copy.

Sure you make a copy and then you take that copy which does NOT belong to you by any means. Theft.

2. the original is still there

nowhere in the definition does it say that the original must disappear. Nowhere in the definition does it state that you need to deprive the owner of anything.


You think we should take the criminal code into consideration we should actually disregard it. One example, in some places lolicon material is considered child pornography, while in other places the law doesn't consider lolicon to be child porn. Laws contradict each other. The actual definition of theft is the right way to go by because nothing can refute a definition.

If anything YOU are trying to use your own definitions to further your agenda. Everyone arguing that piracy is theft is using the actual definition.
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#336MeCaranaPosted 3/25/2014 3:01:39 PM
Worknofun370 posted...
Also, that debate always ends up pretty much the same. Arguing over the semantics of the word "take" and if piracy fits that or not.

That's why I avoid it like the plague, same freaking thing time and time again.


Oh I get what you mean now.

But the debate of the meaning of the word theft is a whole other debate, entirely. It's also philosophical, meaning it's a big rock paper scissor game at the core. Plus the fact that even if we agree if it should fit the definition, it's pointless, because legally, the meaning hasn't changed. Also the new meaning wouldn't change the fact morals are subjective, so we can't just label theft as bad in the absolute, only at a societal level.

So yeah, I agree with you, we're running circles. Bada bing.
#337MeCaranaPosted 3/25/2014 3:06:09 PM(edited)
Tyranius2 posted...
#1: Piracy is theft.


lol you said you would MURDER this argument and you didn't.

Look in the dictionary.


Look in the criminal code. Also the links I posted.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131130/15263725410/surprise-mpaa-told-it-cant-use-terms-piracy-theft-stealing-during-hotfile-trial.shtml
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#.22Theft.22

We're not arguing about if theft should or not fit piracy because: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/916373-pc/68866892/778644435

And we shouldn't be, it's a pointless strawman. Explanations are in post.

I don't have an agenda. Anti piracy arguments just fail. I'm neither for or against it. It's an action with consequences - consequences varies depending on the situation at the moment of the action.

Keep coming all you want. Your arguments will be debunked over and over again. But please stop repeating the same thing every time. You'll get the same answer from me. You cannot win this. A lot of people tried arguing anti piracy, even me at a point. Difference is, I was able to see both sides and view the debate with a whole other angle. Can you?
#338Tyranius2(Topic Creator)Posted 3/25/2014 3:07:11 PM
Especially considering that if they feel so strongly about it, how about they go push a change in the wording of the law. Would be more efficient.

But they're not doing that, so I don't care about their definitions.


Except you are the one using your own definitions. Your definitions and that of the old men that make the laws. Like I said, laws are simply opinion. Laws contradict each other, one law in the west might speak differently in the east about the same subject.


We gotta stick with the legal issues and wording if we want to get somewhere.


No, we gotta stick with definitions and not opinions.


Law is not absolute and can be wrong.


Way to contradict yourself. This is hilarious.


SRSLY, I can debunk EVERY SINGLE ANTI PIRACY ARGUMENT.


Like I said, hilarious since you haven't debunked a single thing.
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#339Tyranius2(Topic Creator)Posted 3/25/2014 3:09:15 PM
Look in the criminal code.


I won't look at opinions when discussing definition.

What are you even arguing about? Nobody said that piracy is theft in the eye of the law. I'm saying the law is simply a group of opinions of the old men who made the laws.
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#340drinkPosted 3/25/2014 3:12:00 PM
MeCarana, not sure if I missed this in a past post, but why do you think that piracy is ok?
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