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#361Little_TyraniusPosted 3/26/2014 6:16:13 AM
It didn't.

It did.


I'm sure the definition of theft came out more than 20 year ago..


All the more reason for it to be updated.


Also most words definitions don't get updated. Normally a new word is made


And if that new word falls under the definition of an older definition, then it is in fact the same thing. Burglary is another word and is still theft.


Look, in order for something to be stolen it must have an owner in the first place.


Incorrect. Definition states that to steal you have to take something which does not belong to you. Even if the copies didn't belong to the owners, they also don't belong to you which makes this stealing.


Copies do not have owners. Software developers do not inherently own copies of their work.


Except they do. Even if that wasn't the case what I said above debunks this argument.


You left out the rest of the definition. That's not how definitions work bro.


That's the definition of theft, not stealing. Are you trying to argue piracy isn't theft but it is stealing? How does that make sense? Another thing:

theft (θɛft)
n
1. (Law) criminal law the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession


Your definition is law-based, which means it's an opinion. Your argument got completely debunked.
#362Ch3wyPosted 3/26/2014 6:26:34 AM(edited)
Little_Tyranius posted...

That's the definition of theft, not stealing. Are you trying to argue piracy isn't theft but it is stealing? How does that make sense? Another thing:

theft (θɛft)
n
1. (Law) criminal law the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession


Your definition is law-based, which means it's an opinion. Your argument got completely debunked.



You were the one saying that piracy is theft. I just showed you how it didn't match the definition, and that was from the most popular dictionary for the English language.(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft)

If you're trying to say that theft is synonymous with stealing, then you need to pay attention to the "specifically" part in the theft definition since it would also be part of the stealing definition, them being synonyms and all.

And while I don't know where your'e getting or going with this law=opinion thing, that's not even the definition I provided.
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#363Little_TyraniusPosted 3/26/2014 6:31:44 AM
You were the one saying that piracy is theft. I just showed you how it didn't match the definition


And I just showed how it did. Theft is defined as "the act of stealing". The definition you posted is based on the law which is why it has no weight.


And while I don't know where your'e getting or going with this law=opinion thing, that's not even the definition I provided.


It's obvious the definition you provided is based on the law. A different dictionary has basically the same sentence in there, the difference is that it directly states that this definition is law-based and yours doesn't, lie by omission.

Also, laws are opinion due to the fact that it's a bunch of congressmen [don't know who makes the laws in america but whatever] who are making the laws. In one area of the globe the law sees lolicon material as child porn and in another area the law doesn't. They contradict each other, laws aren't supposed to be brought up when discussing definition.
#364ShubPosted 3/26/2014 6:34:29 AM
It's appalling that you people still take the bait on piracy topics. Or Tyranius topics. Nothing was said in here that wasn't already said a million times. Bricks in a brick wall make more progress debating the properties of the mortar between themselves.
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#365Ch3wyPosted 3/26/2014 6:37:40 AM
Little_Tyranius posted...

And I just showed how it did. Theft is defined as "the act of stealing". The definition you posted is based on the law which is why it has no weight.

It's the only definition in the Merriam-Webster that applies to what we're talking about. So you're basically saying that no definition holds any weight for theft. That includes your own. Which in that case piracy still isn't theft, since theft is just opinion according to you.


It's obvious the definition you provided is based on the law. A different dictionary has basically the same sentence in there, the difference is that it directly states that this definition is law-based and yours doesn't, lie by omission.

Also, laws are opinion due to the fact that it's a bunch of congressmen [don't know who makes the laws in america but whatever] who are making the laws. In one area of the globe the law sees lolicon material as child porn and in another area the law doesn't. They contradict each other, laws aren't supposed to be brought up when discussing definition.

I hate to break it to you, but dictionaries are just as much opinion as law(not that opinion is the word I'd use). That's why they differ from each other. English language isn't standardized, nothing is official.

And now you're accusing the Merriam-Webster dictionary of lying lol.
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#366Little_TyraniusPosted 3/26/2014 6:47:21 AM
lol, it even says in that page:


theft


In law, the crime of taking the property or services of another without consent.
#367Ch3wyPosted 3/26/2014 6:50:16 AM
It also says theezan tea, but that's not part of the definition I posted.

Also way to ignore everything else. Just cover your ears and pretend like you can't hear me.
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#368Little_TyraniusPosted 3/26/2014 6:52:35 AM
Nothing was said in here that wasn't already said a million times.


What I said was new. Nobody took down the idea behind the analogy.


It's the only definition in the Merriam-Webster that applies to what we're talking about.


Not really. There's also:

b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

Piracy fits that.


So you're basically saying that no definition holds any weight for theft. That includes your own. Which in that case piracy still isn't theft, since theft is just opinion according to you.


It's an opinion when the written definition of theft is law-based.


I hate to break it to you, but dictionaries are just as much opinion as law(not that opinion is the word I'd use). That's why they differ from each other. English language isn't standardized, nothing is official.


Dictionaries are as close as we get to god's definitions.


And now you're accusing the Merriam-Webster dictionary of lying lol.


Fair enough, I was wrong. They DO tell you that their first definition of theft is law-based, as I stated in my last post.
#369Ch3wyPosted 3/26/2014 6:57:45 AM
Little_Tyranius posted...

Not really. There's also:

b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

Piracy fits that.

Now you're saying piracy is either burglary or embezzlement?

Do you know how to read by any chance?


It's an opinion when the written definition of theft is law-based.

OK, then it looks like whether piracy is theft or not is a matter of opinion.


Dictionaries are as close as we get to god's definitions.

No, that's the bible.


Fair enough, I was wrong.

Good, now we're getting somewhere. You've made a big step here, congratulations!
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#370Little_TyraniusPosted 3/26/2014 7:13:42 AM
Now you're saying piracy is either burglary or embezzlement?

Do you know how to read by any chance?


I just figured they were examples, since burglary and embezzlement are not the only ways of "unlawfully taking property". Once again, piracy fits that definition.


OK, then it looks like whether piracy is theft or not is a matter of opinion.


Only when you want to base your argument on the law definition.


No, that's the bible.


Second closest then.


Good, now we're getting somewhere. You've made a big step here, congratulations!


Sure, noticing my mistake only enforced my argument. That dictionary article is working with the law definition.