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People love defending bad writing.

#11KnifegashPosted 4/14/2014 1:06:42 PM
Gwendal posted...
You know, it is possible to enjoy the ME series a lot while still being perfectly well aware of the fact that the writing isn't exactly Pulitzer Prize material. :P

That said, I don't really think they're that bad, for a video game series anyway.

Knifegash posted...
Mass Effect 1 had insane potential, but the writing definitely took hits as they went along.


Hmm...in terms of plot, you're probably right, but on the other hand, I think ME2 and 3 and much better and more natural dialogue than ME1. There's a lot of heavy-handed exposition and stiff dialogue in that game. And I didn't really mind ME2's "filler" plot, since the main story definitely isn't the most interesting thing about ME (IMO). Focusing on the characters and their side stories allowed Bioware to play to their strengths much more.


ME2 is my favorite of the series, almost everything about it hit the right notes for me, but there were times where the writer backed off from interesting subjects. I remember the first time seeing Legion looking at us through his scope, and seeing the N7 armor. I was shocked at the implications, and thought perhaps it was a vessel the Geth fashioned for Shepard's consciousness or something, and the Shepard you've been playing as was a clone made as best as they could by Cerberus.They flirt with the idea by mentioning it once or twice, with Shepard saying she didn't care if she was original or not, but following through with it would have easily met with the revelations of ''You are not Saren''! You say it exactly how I wanted to say it, but I didn't because I wanted to be succinct, the plot took a nosedive in 3, but the conclusions of everyone's stories and the sacrifices made to help you were clearly the heavy-hitting parts of 3. The deus ex machina was horrible, Cerberus devolving into comic book villains to purely fill in the need for a humanoid enemy, and the Reapers' true intentions were all terribly negative points for me and really made me pine for the simple wonder I got from just staring out the window right outside of the clinic in ME1 at the five arms of the Citadel.
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#12popping4itPosted 4/14/2014 1:28:37 PM
^thats so many words.
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#13GwendalPosted 4/14/2014 2:13:01 PM
ShadowThaReaper posted...
Hmm. I dunno about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ze_R3TevE


Sure, it isn't perfect by any means, but I still think it's a noticeable step up from ME1 when you compare the scripts of both games as a whole.Knifegash posted...


Knifegash posted...

[...]The deus ex machina was horrible, Cerberus devolving into comic book villains to purely fill in the need for a humanoid enemy, and the Reapers' true intentions were all terribly negative points for me and really made me pine for the simple wonder I got from just staring out the window right outside of the clinic in ME1 at the five arms of the Citadel.


Yep, that's yet another silly thing they did in ME3. Would have been nice if they'd actually put in the effort to let you side with Cerberus if you handed them the base at the end of ME2.
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#14Reverend_WilsonPosted 4/14/2014 2:25:02 PM
What's an example of good writing? Sorry if that's a dumb question; I'm not much of story buff.
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#15jedinatPosted 4/14/2014 2:34:38 PM
Reverend_Wilson posted...
What's an example of good writing? Sorry if that's a dumb question; I'm not much of story buff.

It's not common at all in video games... I'd say Portal 1/2, and... older adventure games like The Secret of Monkey Island, Full Throttle...
#16ShadowThaReaper(Topic Creator)Posted 4/14/2014 2:45:03 PM
Gwendal posted...
Sure, it isn't perfect by any means, but I still think it's a noticeable step up from ME1 when you compare the scripts of both games as a whole.


Meh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaRdcVYTjRw

They're not completely comparable because one is a conversation, and one is just lines, but Harbinger is just a Saturday morning cartoon villain. He comes down and fights you on your level while hurling the Reaper version of yo mama insults.

Reverend_Wilson posted...
What's an example of good writing? Sorry if that's a dumb question; I'm not much of story buff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-bijO3uEw
#17ShadowThaReaper(Topic Creator)Posted 4/14/2014 3:00:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMCF2CJaqGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus
#18jedinatPosted 4/14/2014 3:05:34 PM
ShadowThaReaper posted...
Reverend_Wilson posted...
What's an example of good writing? Sorry if that's a dumb question; I'm not much of story buff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-bijO3uEw

Meh, not sure how some philosophical drivel is good writing, or at least story-telling. Just because it takes some work to wrap your mind around what's being said doesn't make it good writing... As a conversation that whole sequence falls flat and dull.
#19ShadowThaReaper(Topic Creator)Posted 4/14/2014 3:10:44 PM
The whole point of Deus Ex is to sneak around and spew philosophy at your enemies.
#20BuyersRemorse55Posted 4/14/2014 3:19:59 PM
I think some people are confused on what bad writing may be. Some people may think its a story that just turns into a bit of a train wreck kinda like ME series toward the end.

Other people might think its actual dialogue and such and crappy characters.

ME1-3 has good dialogue and characters all through out the series. IMO good dialogue and characters is even more important than a good story. Why ME2 is so good, it might be a bit less epic in scope then ME1 and ME, but it has good dialogue and interesting characters so its fun to go through. And just seeing more of the ME universe overall in ME2 just makes it great. So many places to go and see in ME2.

Deus Ex HR had pretty good dialogue and story too, but the wheels kinda came off in the last mission.