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So Turtle Rock just fired their community manager over a tweet...

#71Bossdog421Posted 5/3/2014 12:02:33 PM
ShadowThaReaper posted...
ein311 posted...
it seems a lot of people forget that Freedom of Speech doesn't mean Freedom from Consequence.


Nobody has ever ****ing forgotten this. Stop spouting this **** as if it makes you a moral ****ing person to witch hunt a man for giving his opinion. I hope you lose your job for saying your opinion in the comfort of your own home.

You don't deserve a job.

You don't deserve livelihood.

You don't deserve to eat.

Then come back at me and say this again.


This is why free speech is abused. Just look at him throw a fit and talk down to people. If only the internet could smack people for acting like this...
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#72Bossdog421Posted 5/3/2014 12:04:49 PM
Little_Tyranius posted...
Free speech is completely abused. If you think you can handle saying whatever you what whenever and wherever you want, you should be able to handle the consequences that could be involved.


It's not really "free speech" if you get arrested/fired/killed for stating your opinion.


Not really sure you know what freedom of speech means. Sure you can say what you want, but nowhere does it say you wont have consequences for doing so.
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#73DoramiPosted 5/3/2014 12:05:02 PM
He is a community manager. A community manager's job is to bring positive PR to the company and help the company avoid situations that bring negative PR.

He made a tweet. That tweet brought negative attention to the company. He should have known the tweet would bring negative attention to the company because 1. it's his job to know situations that are negative for PR; 2. it's well-known that customers associate the personal views of the spokesmen for a company with the company, even when stated in a personal capacity; and 3. there have been high profile cases where twitter posts have been widely-exposed and associated with the poster and the company for which the poster worked.

So there are 2 possibilities for the community manager:
1. He knew what he did would bring negative PR to the company and did it anyway. He is a disloyal employee. The company has every right to fire him.

2. He didn't know what he did would bring negative PR to the company. He is incompetent at the job for which he was hired. The company has every right to fire him.

If he were in any position except the PR expert--even an important position like Chairman of the Board or CEO--, it is arguable that the company should not have fired him. But he's supposed to be a PR expert. Turtle Rock was justified.
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#74Killah PriestPosted 5/3/2014 12:06:14 PM(edited)
I never said people were ignoring it now did i? I said no one was interested, and for the most part no one is. Personally I like Bomani Jones take on the whole thing. Go listen to it if you haven't it puts some things into perspective.

Well, ok. I think people aren't interested for two reasons one of which you already stated. First being his previous behavior, and second being that we really can't dive into that any deeper at the current moment. All we know is that Sterling knew the conversations were being recorded, which was reported, if challenged I'm sure people will testify and that will be talked about more.

In short, I think people will be interested when there is more to say on the subject.
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#75JKatarnPosted 5/3/2014 12:09:22 PM
pothocket posted...
I would fire the dude too. He's hired to speak to the masses and manage them, not share his opinions on the current state of events regarding social issues in America.

And people in this topic are already declaring they'll boycott the company? LMFAO, grow up.


First it's racist remarks under fire....what's next? Sexist and homophobic remarks? How will gamers worldwide converse over voice chat man!!?!?!?!
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#76pothocketPosted 5/3/2014 12:20:16 PM(edited)
Little_Tyranius posted...
Look, I don't know if he uses his twitter account during his role as community manager or not but it also doesn't really matter, either way he should still be fired. The whole point of the community manager is to keep the masses from rocking the boat, not inciting a riot by encouraging discussion of sensitive issues that have nothing to do with the company or the game they're making.

I see it as getting fired for being terrible at his job


Keep the masses from rocking the boat, at the community he works on. In his twitter he can do whatever he pleases. He wasn't fired for being terrible at his job, because he wasn't working at the time.


It took me literally less than a minute to confirm that he uses his twitter account as part of his role as community manager for Turtle Rock. He has followers specifically because of his position within the company. Think about it, it doesn't matter if he was "on the clock" or not - he was using a platform that addresses Turtle Rock customers, not his personal friends and family.
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#77SleepComaPosted 5/3/2014 12:18:22 PM
Yup that sounds about right. Should have just kept your mouth closed to begin with Mr. oh so wise community manager
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#78ShadowThaReaperPosted 5/3/2014 12:19:14 PM
It's funny because they're getting more backlash than ever because they fired him. If only they left the man alone, then they wouldn't be in such a PR disaster.

The man didn't do his job? Hardly. This is all their fault.
#79JKatarnPosted 5/3/2014 12:22:05 PM(edited)
Bossdog421 posted...
ShadowThaReaper posted...
ein311 posted...
it seems a lot of people forget that Freedom of Speech doesn't mean Freedom from Consequence.


Nobody has ever ****ing forgotten this. Stop spouting this **** as if it makes you a moral ****ing person to witch hunt a man for giving his opinion. I hope you lose your job for saying your opinion in the comfort of your own home.

You don't deserve a job.

You don't deserve livelihood.

You don't deserve to eat.

Then come back at me and say this again.


This is why free speech is abused. Just look at him throw a fit and talk down to people. If only the internet could smack people for acting like this...


It's called "ignore posts from this user" and it makes the forums a bit easier to read, that is until somebody quotes them. Also, to put this thread to rest, via Wikipedia:

"Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property to anyone who is willing to receive them. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

The right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and is commonly subject to limitations based on the speech implications of the harm principle including libel, slander, obscenity and pornography, sedition, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements.

The term "offence principle" is also used[1] to expand the range of free speech limitations to prohibit forms of expression where they are considered offensive to society, special interest groups or individuals. For example, freedom of speech is limited in many jurisdictions to widely differing degrees by religious legal systems, religious offense or incitement to ethnic or racial hatred laws."
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#80overkillwfo1978Posted 5/3/2014 12:27:45 PM
therickmu25 posted...
You're better off murdering a person than calling a black person a name in America.


If you are black, however, you can say pretty much whatever you want to anyone with no repercussions because of what your great, great grandfather and mother went through 160 years ago.

The double standard when it comes to this crap is crazy. I am old, so, the first time I remembered hearing this hypocrisy was listening to Ice Cube's first few albums back in the day and thinking "if this guy were white and you replaced "devil" and "cracker" with "n-----" he would be crucified. I still like Cube and all, because nothing offends me. But the fact that people get butthurt over one group doing it and not the other is hypocrisy and that does bother me.

That being said Sterling is an idiot. If he hates associating with black people so much, basketball is a pretty bad business venture.
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