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Is there any way to help cure an Apple victim?

#11PhilOnDezPosted 5/30/2014 10:25:40 PM
I went from literally never having looked at OSX to having 4 MacBooks set up for wireless printing on a commercial network in under 10 minutes with 5 of those minutes spent waiting for someone to get me the password to log on to the last machine. It's not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be.
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#12DragnfyrPosted 5/30/2014 10:26:28 PM
You seem to have been brainwashed completely the other way if you think that every Apple product has an equivalent that is significantly cheaper. Apple products are expensive but that's because they only make high end products that are targeted for specific uses. If you take a careful look at each Apple product and try to find something that is actually equivalent you'll realize that it costs about the same.

For example, take a look at the 13" Macbook Air. It costs $999 which is in line which basically every other high end ultrabook. It also has the longest battery life of any laptop running on only the built-in battery. Of course if you don't need any portability and just want the best performance possible it would be much better to build a desktop for $999. However, that doesn't mean the Macbook is overpriced because it serves a different purpose.

Same with the iPhone vs. other Android flagships. They all cost about the same and they cater to different people. Sure the iPhone is weaker in terms of raw specs but the numbers on the spec sheet do not accurately reflect the general user experience. All the flagship phones right now are more than powerful enough to run everything smoothly so the true differentiating factors are stuff like battery life, OS preferences, app availability, feel in the hand, aesthetics, etc which are generally not mentioned on the standard spec sheet and are much more subjective.

So I think you really need to step back and consider whether your irrational hate of Apple products is warranted. Maybe you don't need or want the features of Apple products but if you think you can get an objectively near-equivalent product for much less then you haven't thought about it hard enough.
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#13Garage_ManPosted 5/30/2014 10:28:16 PM
Man the apple hate. I don't even own one but seriously? What media player right now offers everything the iPod does, from software to it's DAC it's solid. Same with the iPhone. The iPad is in a class of it's own these days...there are no good android tablets with good build quality/great screens.

Same is said fir the MacBook. The things amazing for what it is. Stupid fast processor, high end screen, graphics card, external graphics card, dat build quality.

As I said in the other thread. I hate PC fanboys the most and this is why.
#14jedinatPosted 5/30/2014 10:30:40 PM
Dragnfyr posted...
So I think you really need to step back and consider whether your irrational hate of Apple products is warranted. Maybe you don't need or want the features of Apple products but if you think you can get an objectively near-equivalent product for much less then you haven't thought about it hard enough.

Ehh... You can get a much cheaper android tablet for what you pay for the ipad mini. And you can get a great android phone with a larger screen than any iphone for <$200.
#15Orestes417Posted 5/30/2014 10:32:26 PM
jedinat posted...
Dragnfyr posted...
So I think you really need to step back and consider whether your irrational hate of Apple products is warranted. Maybe you don't need or want the features of Apple products but if you think you can get an objectively near-equivalent product for much less then you haven't thought about it hard enough.

Ehh... You can get a much cheaper android tablet for what you pay for the ipad mini. And you can get a great android phone with a larger screen than any iphone for <$200.


Now get one with an identical software selection and user experience and we'll talk.
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#16cody4783Posted 5/30/2014 10:33:36 PM
jedinat posted...
And you can get a great android phone with a larger screen than any iphone for <$200.

On contract*
Many carriers seem to be trying to phase out contracts...At least from what I've experienced and heard from friends. Sprint tried to push a 24 month @$28 a month payment plan when I went in to upgrade. Ordered online with the contract instead. >_>
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#17jedinatPosted 5/30/2014 10:34:27 PM
Orestes417 posted...
jedinat posted...
Dragnfyr posted...
So I think you really need to step back and consider whether your irrational hate of Apple products is warranted. Maybe you don't need or want the features of Apple products but if you think you can get an objectively near-equivalent product for much less then you haven't thought about it hard enough.

Ehh... You can get a much cheaper android tablet for what you pay for the ipad mini. And you can get a great android phone with a larger screen than any iphone for <$200.

Now get one with an identical software selection and user experience and we'll talk.

The user experience is not objectively better on iOS these days. At all really. And obviously they're two different app ecosystems. I could say the same thing in reverse...
#18jedinatPosted 5/30/2014 10:35:04 PM
cody4783 posted...
jedinat posted...
And you can get a great android phone with a larger screen than any iphone for <$200.

On contract*
Many carriers seem to be trying to phase out contracts...At least from what I've experienced and heard from friends. Sprint tried to push a 24 month @$28 a month payment plan when I went in to upgrade. Ordered online with the contract instead. >_>

No, I meant out of pocket. No contract.
#19Lemur_HPosted 5/30/2014 10:35:25 PM
cody4783 posted...
Silver bullets.



Or was that werewolves? I can never remember.
#20Orestes417Posted 5/30/2014 10:38:55 PM
Yes you could, but if you want to posit one as a replacement for the other it had best be a drop in replacement. And android is a damn mess with all the vendor customized crap. iOS has the distinct advanage of consistency and polish. This coming from a guy who has been part of the open source ecosystem longer than some posters have been alive.
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