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So Zotac made a smaller, faster, and quieter PC than any current console

#31DarkZV2Beta(Topic Creator)Posted 7/13/2014 6:55:46 AM
TehPwnzerer posted...
It's not a console killer until it's priced competitively against consoles. Why is that so hard to understand?


tbh, it does have a pretty competitive pricetag.
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#32TehPwnzererPosted 7/13/2014 9:49:42 AM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
TehPwnzerer posted...
It's not a console killer until it's priced competitively against consoles. Why is that so hard to understand?


tbh, it does have a pretty competitive pricetag.


Starting at 700 dollars? You call that competitive? Did you learn nothing from Sony's PS3 announcement? It hit them so hard that they almost folded in the console biz. Console gamers don't like paying anything more than $400 for a console, and even less so for anything $500 or more for a console. A $700 box is not going to be marketed to console gamers. Especially when it's not backed up by any company that can provide worthwhile exclusives like Sony or Nintendo.

A $700 "console killer" is more like fanservice to the already existing PC crowd. If you're going to charge more than a console, what sense does it make to get something non-upgradable? Every PC gamer already has a "console killer", it's just priced as a PC. Like I said, to be a console killer it needs to be a lot closer to the price of a console. If you're willing to pay more then why not just get a PC? This frankenbox doesn't make any sense.
#33DarkZV2Beta(Topic Creator)Posted 7/13/2014 11:13:56 AM
TehPwnzerer posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
TehPwnzerer posted...
It's not a console killer until it's priced competitively against consoles. Why is that so hard to understand?


tbh, it does have a pretty competitive pricetag.


Starting at 700 dollars? You call that competitive? Did you learn nothing from Sony's PS3 announcement? It hit them so hard that they almost folded in the console biz. Console gamers don't like paying anything more than $400 for a console, and even less so for anything $500 or more for a console. A $700 box is not going to be marketed to console gamers. Especially when it's not backed up by any company that can provide worthwhile exclusives like Sony or Nintendo.

A $700 "console killer" is more like fanservice to the already existing PC crowd. If you're going to charge more than a console, what sense does it make to get something non-upgradable? Every PC gamer already has a "console killer", it's just priced as a PC. Like I said, to be a console killer it needs to be a lot closer to the price of a console. If you're willing to pay more then why not just get a PC? This frankenbox doesn't make any sense.


Starting at $550. Topping out at $700.
PS3 had a lot of reasons behind why it failed so hard early on. $599 USD was only one of them.
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#34GoldninjaPosted 7/13/2014 1:47:29 PM
Both the PS3 and 360 (more the 360) had over heating issues when they first came out. If you want something stronger than the current gen and in a small box, they're going to have to come up with better cooling solutions. What's the point of more power if the innards throttle and then melt?
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#35Treason686Posted 7/13/2014 2:07:47 PM
Stupid debates are stupid.

I think that thing's pretty damn cool.
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#36Giblet_EnjoyerPosted 7/13/2014 2:41:49 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
TehPwnzerer posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
TehPwnzerer posted...
It's not a console killer until it's priced competitively against consoles. Why is that so hard to understand?


tbh, it does have a pretty competitive pricetag.


Starting at 700 dollars? You call that competitive? Did you learn nothing from Sony's PS3 announcement? It hit them so hard that they almost folded in the console biz. Console gamers don't like paying anything more than $400 for a console, and even less so for anything $500 or more for a console. A $700 box is not going to be marketed to console gamers. Especially when it's not backed up by any company that can provide worthwhile exclusives like Sony or Nintendo.

A $700 "console killer" is more like fanservice to the already existing PC crowd. If you're going to charge more than a console, what sense does it make to get something non-upgradable? Every PC gamer already has a "console killer", it's just priced as a PC. Like I said, to be a console killer it needs to be a lot closer to the price of a console. If you're willing to pay more then why not just get a PC? This frankenbox doesn't make any sense.


Starting at $550. Topping out at $700.
PS3 had a lot of reasons behind why it failed so hard early on. $599 USD was only one of them.

This. If the PS3 actually had games, it may have done better. Only reason it didn't s*** itself and die was because of rampant fanboyism. The thing was a useless piece of f*** with a big heaping helping of duck s*** on top for the first like 3 years ffs

Anyways, yeah $700 is actually fairly competitive when you consider that IT'S A PC and that you have to pay to play the PS4 online, so there's another $50 up-front, and then another $50 per year. It's kinda like "phone" vs. "phone with contract"
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#37DarkZV2Beta(Topic Creator)Posted 7/13/2014 5:26:49 PM
Goldninja posted...
Both the PS3 and 360 (more the 360) had over heating issues when they first came out. If you want something stronger than the current gen and in a small box, they're going to have to come up with better cooling solutions. What's the point of more power if the innards throttle and then melt?


I don't know, it seemed to perform pretty well when tested.
Newer parts put out less heat than the architectures used in those dated "next gen" consoles. Bulldozer and it's offshoots run pretty hot, as do GCN GPUs, when compared to Maxwell and Haswell.
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#38JKatarnPosted 7/14/2014 12:03:32 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Goldninja posted...
Both the PS3 and 360 (more the 360) had over heating issues when they first came out. If you want something stronger than the current gen and in a small box, they're going to have to come up with better cooling solutions. What's the point of more power if the innards throttle and then melt?


I don't know, it seemed to perform pretty well when tested.
Newer parts put out less heat than the architectures used in those dated "next gen" consoles. Bulldozer and it's offshoots run pretty hot, as do GCN GPUs, when compared to Maxwell and Haswell.


Except the components in the consoles aren't off-the-shelf PC components, they're custom made, so you can't compare them to equivalent PC components (at least when it comes to heat etc., you can do a relative performance comparison).
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#39DarkZV2Beta(Topic Creator)Posted 7/14/2014 1:47:52 PM
JKatarn posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Goldninja posted...
Both the PS3 and 360 (more the 360) had over heating issues when they first came out. If you want something stronger than the current gen and in a small box, they're going to have to come up with better cooling solutions. What's the point of more power if the innards throttle and then melt?


I don't know, it seemed to perform pretty well when tested.
Newer parts put out less heat than the architectures used in those dated "next gen" consoles. Bulldozer and it's offshoots run pretty hot, as do GCN GPUs, when compared to Maxwell and Haswell.


Except the components in the consoles aren't off-the-shelf PC components, they're custom made, so you can't compare them to equivalent PC components (at least when it comes to heat etc., you can do a relative performance comparison).


Except that they're based on the same chipsets used in PCs. The only thing really different is that they're stuck together in a single thermal package, which is actually a bad thing. In terms of performance per watt, it's just mobile GCN and Bulldozer.
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