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Yogventures - another lesson in the risks of Kickstarter

#51rupok93Posted 7/17/2014 2:08:24 PM
KillerTruffle posted...
arleas posted...
but they were blinded by the fact that "OMFG IT'S YOGSCAST AND THEY'RE MAKING A GAME SQUEEEEEE!!!!!


And that right there is a primary danger to watch out for... Yogscast was a well-known name, and the implication was that they were making the game. They're a big enough name that a lot of people likely backed it just for that, without looking deeper. Still their own heads for that, but it's still a scummy/shady thing for a big name to do.


Its a scam no doubt about it, they got some random company who would fork a huge amount to them (I heard $250k in copyright fees) and they run away with it. They think nobody will notice since it was the devs that failed but it was yogscast intentional irresponsibility of hiring some random devs with no prior experiance that caused this mess.

Without their name branded on this product, it would have not gotten this much money or attention.
#52KillerTruffle(Topic Creator)Posted 7/17/2014 2:15:45 PM
I kind of do hope they manage to put together a class action suit against Yogscast over this for full refunds. In all I've read, I cannot see any possible way they're not directly responsible right alongside "Winterkewl." The Kickstarter page was totally written as though Yogscast was making the game. And if they accepted royalties on the unfinished product based on Kickstarter income, they totally owe that money back. That whole "we didn't *have* to do anything at all, but here's a key for another free game you might not want" attitude pisses me off.

Gotta say I hope they get their butts kicked by a lawsuit.
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#53Jprime666Posted 7/17/2014 2:16:54 PM
Well most consumers are idiots who will just throw money at the first thing that sounds good, with no regard to how it might turn out. It's these people that the pre-order driven AAA industry thrives on.
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#54GarudinPosted 7/17/2014 7:13:36 PM
I'm kind of hoping stuff like this will push either Kickstarter to step up and enforce their own rules(see below) or someone(s) sue the dev's behind this or Kickstarter for allowing this kind of thing to go on despite their rules.

Kickstarter's rules:
Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?

Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) This information can serve as a basis for legal recourse if a creator doesn't fulfill their promises. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill.

Source:
https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics?ref=faq_subcategory#Acco
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#55arleasPosted 7/17/2014 7:32:38 PM
If Yogscast really did eat half of the proceeds JUST for using their name, then Yogscast should step up and use that $250k to get the game completed. From what I could see from videos, it looked like a bland minecraft clone, but at least they've got SOMETHING to work from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIod3ZUBpys

Oh look, they spent it on Joffo Cakes. :I

Still, that's their pre-alpha of the game. Take what they have there and hire someone to finish the damn game.

Yeah, after watching that video, I do hope they get sued.
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#56KillerTruffle(Topic Creator)Posted 7/17/2014 8:21:21 PM
Garudin posted...
I'm kind of hoping stuff like this will push either Kickstarter to step up and enforce their own rules(see below) or someone(s) sue the dev's behind this or Kickstarter for allowing this kind of thing to go on despite their rules.

Kickstarter's rules:
Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?

Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) This information can serve as a basis for legal recourse if a creator doesn't fulfill their promises. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill.

Source:
https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics?ref=faq_subcategory#Acco


I posted that earlier. The rule does not indicate any sort of action on the part of Kickstarter, but they say that it gives backers a form of recourse if the creator doesn't follow through on their promises, and provides some legal foundation if they (the backers) choose to take it to court.
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#57XianCePosted 7/17/2014 9:18:36 PM
Isn't another more experienced dev team going to take up the project?
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#58arleasPosted 7/17/2014 9:32:43 PM
XianCe posted...
Isn't another more experienced dev team going to take up the project?


More like it's being merged into this other game but probably in the most superficial way possible (Like throwing some skins on models already in the game and saying "See, it's just what you paid for!").

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/07/17/yogscasts-tug-partnership-comes-alongside-a-cancelled-game/
All of the Yogventures! assets and code are being transferred over as well, allowing TUG to reap the benefits of what had been done on the cancelled game.

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#59clowningPosted 7/17/2014 9:34:57 PM
Well...if they declare bankruptcy, they don't have to worry too much about paying anyone, or getting sued.
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#60TheEntitledOnePosted 7/17/2014 9:57:47 PM
What the consumer wants, the consumer gets. The sacred cow of gaming on the internet, the developer, is not the infallible congregation of extreme intellectuals providing unprecedented innovation and a teeming artistic integrity that you want to believe it is. But hey, if you want the romantic idea of throwing money to the "little guy" and that makes you feel good, have at it. Enjoy your CTDs with a side of buggy gaming.
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