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Will we ever get a Batman game with an actual story?

#21bluemooglePosted 7/22/2014 8:43:32 PM
ShadowThaReaper posted...
It's people like you that makes video games look like a medium for pretentious know nothings.

Whether it is or isn't considered art makes no impact on anything whatsoever.


Yes, that's true, but nihilistically dismissing a discussion doesn't really contribute anything meaningful either. We might as well not post on these boards, since what do they matter besides to give a podium to a bunch of people that like the sound of their own voice (plus thousands of lurkers afraid of the sound of their voice)?
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#22capgamerPosted 7/22/2014 8:47:06 PM
Arkham Origins killed my hype for Batman games.

They just can't pick a new villain besides the Joker. Like, I get it... he's Batman's main villian, so it makes sense that he is the main villain in a lot/most of the games... but come on. In Arkham Origins they go out of their way to build up a different villain and then they just make it the Joker again. Lame. Completely lame.
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#23SlashmanSGPosted 7/22/2014 8:49:10 PM
capgamer posted...
Arkham Origins killed my hype for Batman games.

They just can't pick a new villain besides the Joker. Like, I get it... he's Batman's main villian, so it makes sense that he is the main villain in a lot/most of the games... but come on. In Arkham Origins they go out of their way to build up a different villain and then they just make it the Joker again. Lame. Completely lame.


Yeah, Origins wasn't very good. It was also made by different people who made Asylum, City, and the upcoming Knight.
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#24The cranky hermitPosted 7/23/2014 7:05:45 AM
Rather, it was to illustrate how assumptions can come across as ignorant to people, just as those non-gamer assumptions often look ignorant to gamers.

It doesn't work. I think I've read enough comic books to have an opinion on them. Your "non-gamer assumptions" look ignorant because they are from non-gamers, and because they are obviously false to anyone familiar with video games.

Again, I am not arguing you are wrong, I am arguing that you are making the assumption that Batman stories can't be deep because it's Batman, and that assumptions like those are part of the problem that's holding genres/medium "back".

Your argument makes no sense if you aren't arguing that I'm wrong. I say it's the nature of Batman that prevents Batman stories from being deep. If I'm not wrong, then whether it's an "assumption" or not is irrelevant - Batman's nature would be holding its own stories back no matter what I personally think about the matter.
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#25SinfullyvannilaPosted 7/23/2014 7:29:37 AM(edited)
Orestes417 posted...
I thought Asylum was a near perfect translation of the comic book style.


I agree. Comic book arcs are quite diffused.

Very fitting since in the comics Bruce Wayne Batman was defeated by Bane exhausting him with a gauntlet of supervillains
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#26KaijinSurohmPosted 7/23/2014 7:49:40 AM
Bobokins posted...
Not just this fanservice, throw-as-many-characters-in-as-possible crap that we've been getting with the Arkham games.

I'm talking about an actual coherent story with maybe one or two villains at most, telling a deep, intricate, and personal story for each major character involved. Will something like that ever happen?


You never beat Arkham City, lol.
City had one hell of a story, and revealed quite a character growth, and showing depths of Batman unseen before.
'Specially end ending pre-DLC. It gave me chills.
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#27pothocketPosted 7/23/2014 8:01:29 AM
Orestes417 posted...
I thought Asylum was a near perfect translation of the comic book style.


It is. TC sounds like he just wants to watch a movie, not play a game.
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#28BIastPosted 7/23/2014 8:18:38 AM
pothocket posted...
Orestes417 posted...
I thought Asylum was a near perfect translation of the comic book style.


It is. TC sounds like he just wants to watch a movie, not play a game.


The movies had a whole bunch of characters thrown in a single flick too. He wants a 20 minute TV show, oh wait! The animated series had a ton of episodes that contained multiple supervillans.

Kinda obvious the OP doesn't want Batman at all.
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#29bluemooglePosted 7/23/2014 8:56:01 AM
The cranky hermit posted...

It doesn't work. I think I've read enough comic books to have an opinion on them. Your "non-gamer assumptions" look ignorant because they are from non-gamers, and because they are obviously false to anyone familiar with video games.


Maybe. I don't know if they are obviously false, because some of it is subjective anyway. I chose the art example on purpose because art is a total pain in the ass to define. I kinda see the descriptor "deep" as being equally nefarious. Hard to say if video games are art or if Batman stories can be deep if we run the very real risk of stalling on semantics. That's why I am not saying you are right or wrong, I don't think it can be proven either way, all we can do assume it's one case or the other.


Your argument makes no sense if you aren't arguing that I'm wrong. I say it's the nature of Batman that prevents Batman stories from being deep. If I'm not wrong, then whether it's an "assumption" or not is irrelevant - Batman's nature would be holding its own stories back no matter what I personally think about the matter.


I am not saying you are right either. Like I just said above, we'll have a hell of time trying to prove either case. What I do know is, if everyone, writers included, assumed that Batman stories cannot be deep, then no one will actually try to write deep Batman stories. Hence why I am saying assumptions like those hold the genre back.

To use the video game analogy again, if everyone, including all developers, assumed that video games are exclusively toys for children, then they would only develop games for children. Obviously some developers think otherwise, and we games for mature audiences. That whole area is further blurred by what counts as childish (is Mario childish if everyone of all ages enjoys his games?), much like what constitutes a deep story will vary between fans.

That's why I don't think it's important to try and prove Batman is intrinsically incapable of deep stories. I think more important questions are, would people like a deep Batman story (yes, as evidenced by this topic), and will anyone actually try to write such a story (no, if everyone assumes it is impossible). If you are right, people will try and fail. But at least they tried since they didn't let assumptions hold them back.
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#30SlashmanSGPosted 7/23/2014 8:58:21 AM
BIast posted...
pothocket posted...
Orestes417 posted...
I thought Asylum was a near perfect translation of the comic book style.


It is. TC sounds like he just wants to watch a movie, not play a game.


The movies had a whole bunch of characters thrown in a single flick too. He wants a 20 minute TV show, oh wait! The animated series had a ton of episodes that contained multiple supervillans.

Kinda obvious the OP doesn't want Batman at all.


I'm looking over at my shelf and can't find a single Batman graphic novel that doesn't have at least 5 different super villains.
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