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Game developer in bed with gaming journalist. PART 3

#81ShadowShirePosted 8/20/2014 1:54:28 PM
YomonachiX posted...
The bed buddies are silent and blocking anyone who brings it up. They don't want to be connected because some of their messages were leaked.


Exactly.

ShadowThaReaper posted...
Quote this to shut him up.

Positive exposure of Depression Quest first and foremost over 49 other greenlight games.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-valve-greenlights-50-more-games/
https://i.imgur.com/kJ3QkOK.png

Indiecade award when she slept with someone from Indiecade.
https://i.imgur.com/TkV4cNn.png

Bullying and lying about a depressed community while promoting her game about depression:
http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

Sexual harassment:
https://i.imgur.com/iSEPh6a.png

Ruining a game jam for women and doxxing someone:
https://i.imgur.com/NYEgyLe.png

Taking down MundaneMatt's video:
https://i.imgur.com/X83HEtL.png

Connection with a moderator from Reddit's /r/gaming subreddit:
https://i.imgur.com/hvRhyp8.png

Connection with a janitor from 4chains:
https://i.imgur.com/eRtE3Sb.jpg

Doxxing herself with FAKE INFO:
https://i.imgur.com/m1tvItF.jpg

Proof it's fake:
https://i.imgur.com/pY1vpV2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oVrO7mA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5RnNqvQ.png

Contacting Internet Archive to get articles removed:
https://i.imgur.com/ZBOas7p.png


Thank you for posting that again. If Zoe Quinn keeps getting "popular" people need to see this so that (hopefully) they won't be fooled by her lies.
#82Lady_GweynPosted 8/20/2014 1:56:37 PM
KillerTruffle posted...
So how did all of this expose "corruption in journalism?" I'm still waiting for someone to produce that link to any article written by one of her bed buddies that promoted her game, got it greenlit, or anything like that.

In light of how minor most of this is, and how little evidence there is to actually support anything bigger than "she slept around a lot," I can't even put a lot of weight in the whole censorship argument, because really what seems to have been happening was little more than a big hate bandwagon polluting the sites with a lot of unfounded accusations against her. I see it as perfectly reasonable that sites will want to keep stuff like that off. Reddit is another story, but then I don't especially see Reddit as relevant either.

And again - I'm not defending the girl at all. I've read enough to feel that she's despicable as a person. But I also cannot find much of any evidence that this should have anything to do with gaming. It's just a bunch of irrelevant gossip.


ShadowThaReaper posted...
Quote this to shut him up.

Positive exposure of Depression Quest first and foremost over 49 other greenlight games.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-valve-greenlights-50-more-games/
https://i.imgur.com/kJ3QkOK.png

Indiecade award when she slept with someone from Indiecade.
https://i.imgur.com/TkV4cNn.png


"But that doesn't prove anything!" you're about to say. And you're right, there currently isn't any smoking gun that definitively proves the corruption. The only way you'll get that is if someone involved comes out and admits to everything, but that will never happen.

But only a fool would take a look at all of the evidence objectively and say there's nothing going on. There isn't anything suspicious about her receiving an award for her game from a panel, which included someone she has been confirmed to have slept with, when her "game" is little more than a text adventure?
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#83KillerTrufflePosted 8/20/2014 1:58:29 PM
kblaze13 posted...
So since you aren't contesting it and it involves a fairly well known outlet in "gaming journalism" and their editor in chief no less saying he approves of things like defending her without proof the attack ever occurred that caused an attack on the accused, does it not show that at least escapist shows bias towards her?

and since it involves gaming "journalism" and how it did gain her something in this case public attention drawn to her "game" is it not a form of corruption on both her part and escapists?

now hold on here, this is where it gets tricky...

escapist does have influence in gaming.


*sigh*

a) Wizardchan is not a gaming forum. They might occasionally discuss games there, but it is not a "gaming outlet."

b) If you mean Escapist, OK... yes, I read the editor's "un-apology," but the biggest offense I see him committing there is admitting that they're willing to jump to conclusions without evidence (honestly, a HELL of a lot like what people here have been doing, actually!). I did not see him actually condone what Zoe did - he simply said that they have a strong stance against harassment and will very quickly back up anyone who claims they're being harassed. The *worst* thing I see him saying is that they're willing to accept false accusations without screening and don't apologize for that. Yes, that's a stupid stance, but it sure isn't the same as "supporting Zoe" and all the crap she's pulled.

Do I think that was a pretty pathetic response to the whole thing? Sure... but certainly nowhere *near* worth the internet uproar going on, and honestly, this is one of the more minor points I see being discussed overall anyway.

c) The public attention she's been granted due to this mess has been granted by the people who insist on carrying on about it and blowing it way the hell out of proportion. Based on everything I've read, Phil Fish did way worse directly related to gaming, but this is getting way more attention. And the actual *facts* in the case don't add up to the increased attention - until you add in the sex factor. Then it suddenly all makes sense.
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#84KillerTrufflePosted 8/20/2014 2:10:43 PM
Lady_Gweyn posted...
"But that doesn't prove anything!" you're about to say. And you're right, there currently isn't any smoking gun that definitively proves the corruption. The only way you'll get that is if someone involved comes out and admits to everything, but that will never happen.

But only a fool would take a look at all of the evidence objectively and say there's nothing going on. There isn't anything suspicious about her receiving an award for her game from a panel, which included someone she has been confirmed to have slept with, when her "game" is little more than a text adventure?


OK... so she was seen cavorting with Nathan in March, after he wrote an article mentioning her in January? If he gave her specific mention *because* he got laid, wouldn't that have logically happened *before* the writeup (and really, it was more of just a "these are some new games on Greenlight" as opposed to "you should really go play these")? If anything, it gives me the impression she slept with him BECAUSE he mentioned her, not the other way around. In fact, based on other things I've read about her through all this, I seriously believe that to be the more likely scenario.

And what was the date she hooked up with Robin Arnot, and how does it compare time-wise to her inclusion in IndieCade? If she slept with him before that roster was set, that's the *closest* I can see to matching any of these accusations.

From my perspective tho, she just seems to have extremely low self-esteem, and she gets hot for any guy that gives her a sprinkle of positive attention. Dude mentions her in a Greenlight paragraph? Bang him. Game got a slot at IndieCade? Sweet... bang him. None of those links actually give evidence that she was involved with any of those guys *before* or *while* her game was included/mentioned/featured/whatever. Just looks to me like a sad, lonely little liar who gets stars in her eyes for people who give her attention. Evidence otherwise?
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#85Lady_GweynPosted 8/20/2014 2:22:30 PM
KillerTruffle posted...
OK... so she was seen cavorting with Nathan in March, after he wrote an article mentioning her in January? If he gave her specific mention *because* he got laid, wouldn't that have logically happened *before* the writeup (and really, it was more of just a "these are some new games on Greenlight" as opposed to "you should really go play these")? If anything, it gives me the impression she slept with him BECAUSE he mentioned her, not the other way around. In fact, based on other things I've read about her through all this, I seriously believe that to be the more likely scenario.


Or isn't it just as likely that she was with him well before then, unknown to the boyfriend? He could only prove that she was with him starting in March. Or there could have been an agreement in place well before January that she would sleep with him in return for positive coverage, and the earliest she could sleaze her way over to him was March? All speculation, but a lot more plausible then "someone said nice things about me, I'm going to have sex with him now." If that was the case, then why sleep with him at all? We already know she's a manipulator, so there'd be no reason to give him anything since she already got what she wanted.

And what was the date she hooked up with Robin Arnot, and how does it compare time-wise to her inclusion in IndieCade? If she slept with him before that roster was set, that's the *closest* I can see to matching any of these accusations.


No idea, but what I said above could still apply.

From my perspective tho, she just seems to have extremely low self-esteem, and she gets hot for any guy that gives her a sprinkle of positive attention. Dude mentions her in a Greenlight paragraph? Bang him. Game got a slot at IndieCade? Sweet... bang him. None of those links actually give evidence that she was involved with any of those guys *before* or *while* her game was included/mentioned/featured/whatever. Just looks to me like a sad, lonely little liar who gets stars in her eyes for people who give her attention. Evidence otherwise?


If you demand evidence from others, then you better have some yourself, and you don't, only speculation. But if this was only about her having sex with people who did nice things for her, then why is it being censored everywhere? Why is no one in the industry talking about it? Why do you get banned when asking about it on other websites? Why would she go to such great lengths as to fake a doxx if it was only about her being a disgusting human being?

That alone strongly indicates that something more is going on. Journalists love scandals, especially ones where a proclaimed bastion of morality like herself is found to have broken every ethic that she claims to have stood for. Yet not a word.
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#86KillerTrufflePosted 8/20/2014 2:45:39 PM
Lady_Gweyn posted...
Or isn't it just as likely that she was with him well before then, unknown to the boyfriend? He could only prove that she was with him starting in March.


Except that an entirely unrelated conversation between Nathan and his boss (forgot his name, can't find the link to his chain of Twitter responses) also placed the relationship beginning sometime in March as I recall. That's two separate conversations [apparently] matching up on their timeline, as opposed to not a shred of evidence from you other than "well it's possible they could have before." Really? That's what you come up with?

Lady_Gweyn posted...
If you demand evidence from others, then you better have some yourself, and you don't, only speculation. But if this was only about her having sex with people who did nice things for her, then why is it being censored everywhere? Why is no one in the industry talking about it? Why do you get banned when asking about it on other websites?


Oh, come on... SERIOUSLY? Gaming sites are supposed to open themselves up to petty, NON-GAMING slander and nonsense, discussing someone's sex life, harassing her, etc. etc., as opposed to maintaining some semblance of order and adherence to the topic of their site? Go talk about this crap on 4chan or something where it belongs. Why WOULD you expect them to not delete this idiocy? It's not censorship because there was nothing really newsworthy to begin with. As for evidence, I'm not actually claiming ANYTHING like you are. I'm just saying that based on what I've read, my suggestion sounds more plausible. It's pure speculation on my part as well, and I make no claim otherwise. And regardless, IT'S NOT WORTH F***ING RANTING ON GAMING WEBSITES ABOUT.

Lady_Gweyn posted...
Why would she go to such great lengths as to fake a doxx if it was only about her being a disgusting human being?


Uh, because she *is* disgusting as a human being (and an attention whore)? And for the billionth time, that has jack squat to do with gaming. I have no reason to expect gaming websites to allow arguments about whether some random chick is or is not ****'d up. It doesn't bother me that they deleted those off-topic discussions.

All this **** is purely speculation based on horribly weak evidence.

Here is ALL that I've seen the evidence support:

* Zoe sleeps around. Quite a lot.
* Zoe is a pathological liar, and lives exactly the type of life she claims to despise, cheating on people lying about it, yadda yadda.
* Along those lines, Zoe fabricated accusations of harassment against an innocent internet board
* Escapist is apparently too quick to jump on board random accusations without knowing whether they're true or not. And they don't apologize for that (possibly the worst offense in this entire ****pile).
* Zoe has, at some point, slept with industry peeps including her own (married) boss.

Yeah... all that adds up to her being a pretty major scumbag, but in NO way correlates to this level of attention - at least not on gaming websites or boards.
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#87ShadowThaReaperPosted 8/20/2014 2:58:45 PM
KillerTruffle posted...
Oh, come on... SERIOUSLY? Gaming sites are supposed to open themselves up to petty, NON-GAMING slander and nonsense, discussing someone's sex life, harassing her, etc. etc., as opposed to maintaining some semblance of order and adherence to the topic of their site? Go talk about this crap on 4chan or something where it belongs. Why WOULD you expect them to not delete this idiocy? It's not censorship because there was nothing really newsworthy to begin with. As for evidence, I'm not actually claiming ANYTHING like you are. I'm just saying that based on what I've read, my suggestion sounds more plausible. It's pure speculation on my part as well, and I make no claim otherwise. And regardless, IT'S NOT WORTH F***ING RANTING ON GAMING WEBSITES ABOUT.


https://i.imgur.com/7f5xbVp.jpg

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759413
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?12881-Female-game-dev-verbally-harassed-by-indiestatik-reporter
http://www.businessinsider.com/josh-mattingly-resignation-and-apology-2014-1
http://www.gameskinny.com/8jbtu/woman-harassed-by-indiestatiks-josh-mattingly-talks


If that crap was news, this is news.
#88ShadowThaReaperPosted 8/20/2014 2:58:53 PM
Quote that to shut him up.
#89JKatarnPosted 8/20/2014 3:38:03 PM
Can't believe this thread is still going...lol, This chick sounds like a pretty awful person...there's no shortage of such people in society, accept this and move on. The fact that people seem to want to dig into the details of this is hilarious.
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#90KillerTrufflePosted 8/20/2014 3:46:01 PM
JKatarn posted...
Can't believe this thread is still going...lol, This chick sounds like a pretty awful person...there's no shortage of such people in society, accept this and move on. The fact that people seem to want to dig into the details of this is hilarious.


That's what I don't get either. It's really NOT relevant to the gaming world, aside from the one bit about Escapist jumping on a hatestorm against Wizardchan based only on Zoe's false accusation. But compared to everything else people are claiming here, that's small beans. Virtually all of the accusations against her are pure speculation.

By far my favorite argument so far is "well, it's *possible* she could have slept with him before he mentioned her game in an article, even though we don't even have a tiny bit of evidence supporting that."
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