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Game developer in bed with gaming journalist. PART 4

#21KillerTrufflePosted 8/21/2014 4:48:18 PM
Rangue posted...
You realize that is because we only have proof for Zoe right? The reason Zoe is at the center of all the issues discussed, is because we got a huge infodump of logs about Zoe from her ex boyfriend. If we had anything at all resembling proof for any other totally obvious but unprovable BS that game journalists do, people would be jumping over that.

There is no reason to feel bad for, or defend her. Everything that is happening she brought onto herself with her actions.

The reason I have stayed away from the DMCA issue for the most part is that it is not provable that it was Zoe that did it, just likely. Why would I concentrate resources on something with no proof?


Couple problems with that from my view. First, your proof is still just internet proof, where virtually *anything* can be fabricated. Second, so what? If you're that worked up and determined about it, why not *find* more proof supporting other instances and actually build a case? E-mail people involved or suspected to be victims. Dig up and include other articles where there were obvious signs of corruption in journalism. I know some exist, because I've seen them before, and they've even been discussed here before (some even have had passing mention in this very discussion). It's an awfully weak fallback to say "well Zoe is all we have proof on, so we'll just keep bashing her."

This shouldn't be about Zoe at all, horrible as she is.
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#22ein311Posted 8/21/2014 4:48:40 PM
Rangue posted...
If we had anything at all resembling proof for any other totally obvious but unprovable BS that game journalists do, people would be jumping over that.


The thing is, throughout the years we've had other people speak up about this and it mostly ruffles a few feathers and goes away, because nobody really cares.
Example from 2012: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Eurogamer-Joins-Light-Side-Blasts-Shoddy-Gaming-Journalists-48563.html

And, funnily enough, we have some people involved with this debacle disgusted at that article, including RPS: http://botherer.org/2012/10/24/games-journalists-and-the-perception-of-corruption/

But again, this kind of stuff falls on a mostly uncaring audience and is brushed off.

This incident has reached a huge level of notoriety in a small amount of time, thanks to a scandalous wordpress blog and the following censorship and Streisand Effect. That has got a lot of people interested in this situation.
That interest could be used to spark a broader discussion of how this isn't just an isolated incident, how it has seemingly been a part of the industry for many, many years, and we as gamers should not be expected to put up with it.

But it isn't happening, and I really don't expect it to. Because in a few weeks, this will also be forgotten and we'll go back to status quo.
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#23MaddSciencePosted 8/21/2014 4:49:29 PM
Lemur_H posted...
GFAQs mods suck.


as they always have.
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#24SmoboHashPosted 8/21/2014 4:49:55 PM
everyone already knows. you don't need to keep posting
#25DaedalusExPosted 8/21/2014 4:50:54 PM
What exactly is the endgame here?
#26ein311Posted 8/21/2014 4:51:06 PM
SmoboHash posted...
everyone already knows. you don't need to keep posting


The topic really should have a new title.
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#27tmons78Posted 8/21/2014 4:51:48 PM
My take on how Zoe Quinn benefitted through her relationship with Nathan Grayson.

We've all read the article: http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284

At the end, Grayson decides to let Quinn have the final word and "sum up" the experience. Here's what she said:

"There was this amazing thing that happened after the production was over. Without any organization or prompting, we acquired and shared some refreshments around, set up some multiplayer games, invited production staff to just come be people and play with us, and had a spontaneous pop up party more or less. It was the first time I had started to feel like myself at all since landing in LA. I started to remember what life felt like off-set again, and it reminded me of what I love about game jams and the indie community in general. It felt like such a complete contrast to the 24 hours that preceded it, and a thought clicked into my head."

"I want to run a game jam. I'd love to have the LPers do what they're so often so brilliant at and bridge the gap between the games and the audience, and do it super low-tech, low-budget, documentary style. Capture the inspiration, the hard work, the 3am delirium and the dumb jokes that come with it. Show people how we all band together and support each other through the deadline. That's what I want to show the world about game jams. That's the ambassador I'd rather be."


In my opinion, if Grayson's only interest was to let her sum up the experience, he should have stopped right before "and a thought clicked into my head." What was said before that is a decent summation of the feelings by all after the event. What follows that quote has really nothing to do with the event, but is instead an idea Quinn has that can help her further her career - her Rebel Game Jam. (http://www.rebelgamejam.com/)

Now, why I say this benefited Quinn is because she launched her website on 3-31-14 (http://whois.domaintools.com/rebelgamejam.com), the same day that the article was posted to Kotaku by Grayson.

So it is possible that Quinn could benefit professionally through that article, and through her connection with Grayson.

It is also possible that Quinn benefited financially through that article as if someone wants to donate to the Rebel Game Jam, the donations thru paypal go directly to Zoe Quinn (The Quinnspiracy).

http://tinyurl.com/jw6cexn (it was a really long link)

(and you can check for yourself by clicking "donate here!" on http://www.rebelgamejam.com/ if you don't believe me)

I realize that I can't prove this, but I just wanted to express what I saw as a possible gain for Quinn through her association with Grayson.
#28KillerTrufflePosted 8/21/2014 4:52:07 PM
ein311 posted...
But it isn't happening, and I really don't expect it to. Because in a few weeks, this will also be forgotten and we'll go back to status quo.


PLEASE don't say a few weeks. You're gonna make me cry. I want my status quo back now.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7s9atzfNS1rziwwco1_400.gif
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#29ein311Posted 8/21/2014 4:54:12 PM
KillerTruffle posted...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7s9atzfNS1rziwwco1_400.gif


I enjoy how you use crappy tumblr gifs to portray your frustration about this whole thing. :D
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#30KillerTrufflePosted 8/21/2014 4:54:14 PM
DaedalusEx posted...
What exactly is the endgame here?


I asked that. It was turned back around at me with "what are YOU trying to accomplish by ending the conversation?"

Kinda strongly implies there is no endgame. Not one person had a legit answer to that question. Just more red herring and crap.
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